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Petition seeks state sovereignty
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Petition seeks state sovereignty
Wilson County residents say secession petition is about preserving states' rights, not dissolving union




It’s not a call for civil war, signers of a North Carolina secession petition say. It’s a symbolic swipe at expanding federal powers.

Nearly 30,500 people have signed an online petition asking President Barack Obama to let North Carolina secede from the United States. Wilson County petition signers said the document is meant to send Washington lawmakers a message.

"I do think it can be a symbol,” Wilson County Tea Party founder Joel Killion said. "That’s why I signed it.”

Most supporters don’t believe the Tar Heel State will actually secede, Killion said. They feel the president’s signature health care reform widely known as Obamacare usurps the role of North Carolina lawmakers.

"It’s the states who created the federal government, not the other way around,” Killion said. "I really don’t think that Washington will pay attention, but I think they can see that there’s a growing desire in the American heart for independence. We want to be left alone.”

 

50 PETITIONS, 1 MILLION SIGNATURES

Residents of all 50 states have filed secession petitions on the White House website since Obama’s Nov. 6 re-election, and supporters have gathered nearly a million combined signatures.

Randy Dye of Pittsboro created the North Carolina petition on Nov. 9. Residents from the state’s western edge to the Outer Banks have added their names, but the petition also has hundreds of out-of-state signers.

"I don’t think there’s anybody — at least nobody with a brain — who signed that petition who actually thinks there’s a legitimate legal means to separate the state of North Carolina from the union,” said Dr. Rob Pochek, a Wilson resident and pastor of Raleigh Road Baptist Church.

Pochek said he signed the petition to send Obama a message.

"I’m an American, and I’m a proud American,” he said. "He’s our leader, and that’s the way it is. But I do want to send a message to him: You’re losing ground, your views are losing ground, and you’ve got to move toward the center.”

Petition signers aren’t just worried about overreach from the federal government. Killion said he’s concerned that the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty could be used to limit gun ownership in violation of the Second Amendment and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child could undermine parental powers.

"We want the states to step up and say, ‘We’re not going to allow the United Nations to have authority over our children or our gun rights,” Killion said.

 

IS SECESSION POSSIBLE?

North Carolina can’t withdraw from the United States without violating its own state constitution, explained Michael Crowell, professor of public law and government at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

"You can’t do it,” Crowell said. "I guess our public schools are not doing as good a job of educating people as I thought, because apparently a lot of people missed the section on the Civil War.”

Article I, Section 4 of the North Carolina Constitution provides that the state "shall ever remain a member of the American Union.”

"The people thereof are part of the American nation; there is no right on the part of this State to secede; and all attempts, from whatever source or upon whatever pretext, to dissolve this Union or to sever this nation, shall be resisted with the whole power of the state,” the Constitution reads.

Crowell said fears that tenets of international treaties will be imposed on individual American citizens are unfounded.

"The kind of stuff they’re talking about isn’t going to have any effect on everyday life in North Carolina,” he said. "Our state courts are not in the business of enforcing U.N. resolutions.”

 

‘RIGHTFULLY DISTRESSED’

As for secession petitions serving as a referendum on the president’s performance, Crowell said disgruntled citizens should take their concerns to the ballot box.

"Obama got elected, (Gov.-elect Pat) McCrory got elected, everyone else got elected,” he said. "If someone doesn’t like it, they have to live with it until the next election. That’s how democracy works.”

State Sen. E.S. "Buck” Newton called the petition "a silly idea,” but the Wilson Republican agrees that the federal government is growing too powerful.

"I think that it’s not serious at all, but it is a pretty good indication of how dissatisfied people are with the nonsense coming out of Washington and the White House,” Newton said. "I think there are a lot of people who are rightfully distressed at the power grab the Obama administration has undertaken.”

Newton said federal health care reform will strain the state budget and points to the fiscal cliff crisis as evidence that Washington is broken. But the secession movement is a distraction, he said, not a viable solution.

"I think there are a whole lot more important issues for us to be working on as far as trying to get the economy moving again and trying to create jobs in the state,” he said. "We have a lot of things to carefully consider and a lot of work to do. Talk about secession is really just not practical. I’d rather focus on the here and now and what’s real than on somebody’s fantasy.”

 

PARTY-NEUTRAL PETITION

Killion said he knows Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians and unaffiliated voters who all have signed the secession petition because they fear government overreach.

"This is not party-specific; this is party-neutral,” he said. "They are losing touch with us. The first three words of the Constitution — ‘We, the people’ — are the key to the whole document. Of course, the government thinks it’s ‘We, the government.’”

Evaluating the petition on the likelihood of North Carolina’s secession misses a larger point about the public’s distrust for the federal government, Pochek said.

"I would describe this as a grassroots opinion poll,” he said. "It’s not something taken by a polling agency that can ask questions this way or that way to influence the results.”

Many petition signers also take issue with tax increases that Obama and Senate Democrats say must be part of a compromise to avert the so-called fiscal cliff, a series of across-the-board budget cuts and expiring tax cuts set to take effect at year’s end unless Congress passes an alternative plan.

"The reality is that the government has no money,” Pochek said. "The government has no product that it sells. There is no revenue to be generated. The government increases revenue by taking more stuff.”

Killion said the United States is on the verge of a historic financial collapse.

"A perfect storm is brewing,” he said. "We’ve seen this in Rome, we’ve seen it in Greece. We see it in modern-day Greece and modern-day Spain. We’re headed down the same path.”

Sounding the alarm now, Killion said, is the patriotic thing to do. He hopes that symbolic gestures like the secession petition can help the United States return to a more responsible course.

"I’m going to be dead one day, and what am I going to leave my kids?” he said. "It scares me. History is repeating itself. So, for me, these are scary times.”

 

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Dr. Rob Pochek said...

@twindad - I just cannot figure out how someone that is supposedly so concerned about being "biblical" is so ignorant of the clear teaching of Jesus on how Christians are supposed to work out their disagreements (i.e. "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you" Mt 18:15). Honestly, "twindad", you make no sense. I agree to debate you and agree to your "non-negotiable" terms and, yet, you castigate me for agreeing to your terms.
It is clear that you have no interest in actually facing me - publicly or privately. It is clear that you would rather throw stones from the shadows than come into the light of day. Jesus said that "those who love darkness instead of light" did so "because their deeds were evil."
In addition, you demonstrate your ignorance when you assert Mr. Thompson to be a deacon or member of RRBC. According to our database, we have no members named John Thompson and do not have a record of a John Thompson even visiting - though I hope that may change, if Mr. Thompson does not have a church home! ;-). But, instead of dealing in facts, you would assail Mr. Thompson's character.
The harm I have done to the cause of Christ for signing the petition or for engaging in this banter, I am genuinely sorry for. I will not engage it any further. You know my name (Rob Pochek) and you know where I serve (Raleigh Road Baptist Church). Our phone number is public record (252-243-0383) as is our website (www.raleighroad.com), from which you may email me directly by using the "Contact Us" feature. I invite you to contact me so that we may attempt to address our differences biblically. I will not, however, continue to do so in this forum.
I am praying you all have a Merry Christmas and remind you that the Hope Station is desperately in need of donations to help provide a blessing to the children in our community who may be less fortunate than we are.

Friday, December 07, 2012 at 11:51 AM
twindad said...

Dr. "Have I Impressed You?",
Your recent post states that you are not sure why I would agree to debate you publicly. One thing has become very clear to me. It is glaringly obvious there many things you are not sure of -- including the proper biblical definition of salvation according to the Word of God.
Further, you don't give a flip about helping a worthy cause. You don't care if we collect $2 or 50 cents, much less who it goes to. Your post makes it clear that the only thing that interests you is seeing who I am. That's why you superficially pay lip service to "I'll leave the accounting and distribution to you". That is not going to cut it, bro. I will gladly debate you (based on your posts, if won't even be a challenge), but I have set forth a couple of conditions that I am serious about. At this point, I can only quote Jesus..."Woe to you, you hypocrite! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are." (Matthew 23:15)
To John Thompson,
So thankful that you have found a place of honor at "I'm OK, You're OK" Church. I bet you're a deacon there. And, of course, a member of the Tea Party!


Friday, December 07, 2012 at 9:48 AM
Dr. Rob Pochek said...

@JohnThompson - I hear ya! I appreciate your encouragement. It would be my honor to buy your lunch and hear about your military service sometime. Have a blessed Christmas.

Friday, December 07, 2012 at 9:22 AM
John Thompson said...

So thankful I'm not a coward and a pathetic troll.
Dr. Pocheck, please don't reply to him any more! You are just taking the bait of a troll who is not who he says he is and he will NEVER debate you; that's a 100% fact. We already figured out you're the bigger man, the real pastor and the real deal. Twindad is nothing more than a poser. If it had been me, I'd posted my name and my church by now and would have given you a call by now. Coward pretty well sums it up.

Friday, December 07, 2012 at 9:42 PM
Dr Rob Pochek said...

@twindad - I would be happy to debate you....though I am not sure why you would agree to a public debate when you lack the integrity to make yourself known. And, for the record, the Wilson Pregnancy Center (as was previously suggested) would be a fine recipient of any proceeds. In fact, I'd be happy to let you handle the accounting and distribution of proceeds, as you seem to perpetually and baselessly question my integrity.
So, at this point I can only quote Doc Holliday...."Say when."

Thursday, December 06, 2012 at 4:43 PM
twindad said...

I think it's great that "Dr. Do You Like Me?" has had such outpouring from members of his staff and "I'm OK, You're OK" congregation on this forum.
And, yes, I would be more than happy to debate "Dr. Do You Agree?" with two non-negotiable conditions:
(1) The proceeds must go to a worthy cause, and I have to be part of deciding what the cause is. Otherwise, it will go to the Tea Party!
(2) The proceeds need to be verified because I don't want the good Doctor use the funds to go out and buy another soft, cuddly pillow.

Thursday, December 06, 2012 at 2:03 PM James Thompson said...

Come on people. Twindad and others like him/her are just posing as other usernames to try and torque you up. Don't take the bait. Dr. Pocheck's character stands on its own and the act of using his real name is already a testament that he is more of a man than any of you which post anonymously. James Thompson.

Thursday, December 06, 2012 at 8:15 AM To Preach Twindad... said...

Seriously??? Dr.Pochek, please do not waste your time responding to these ignorant statements. Anybody that really knows you knows that you preach the Word. No more, no less. You do not play church or religion like so many other pastors do. I have heard you say that you as a man have nothing that you can give to mankind. But, you know something that does. The Bible! You preach the Word and offer no apologies for who it might offend. I sir, and many others, applaud you for that and wish more men of faith would follow your lead.
Keep stepping on those toes! If others do not like what you have to say, then they need to talk to the Author of the Bible! You are just relaying a Message that many of us have watered down in a feel good, self-centered society.

Thursday, December 06, 2012 at 9:48 PM Really said...

Scary people. Fit into my box or we will sign a petition to have NC go it alone. LOL

Thursday, December 06, 2012 at 9:42 PM Public Debate Event??? said...

Hey Dr. Pochek! How about we plan a public debate between you and "twindad". That would be great! We could sell tickets and give the proceeds to the Wilson Pregnancy Center. I wonder if he would take us up on that. What say you "twindad"? Are you up for a public debate?

Wednesday, December 05, 2012 at 8:41 PM Preach Twindad!! said...

Dr.Pochek I would never visit your church RRBC soley because of your facebook and post up here. You seem to be focused on being right than seeing of points of view. The energy you spend ''being right'' you could be trying to draw soles to Christ.

Wednesday, December 05, 2012 at 5:07 PM @to psych said...

good one!

Wednesday, December 05, 2012 at 4:32 PM To Psychiatrist said...

Good points about twindad's behavior. I'm beginning to wonder if his 'congregation' is his twins' stuffed animals situated around a kids table. If that's the case, I would recommend he look at it instead as a tea party so there would be less friction.

Wednesday, December 05, 2012 at 3:42 PM @student said...

As you already know, you can't believe everything someone states on the net. For anyone to be called out by someone stating their real name and place of business (in this case a church), where they went to school, their sermons, etc...Any honest person attacking their character would have at least called them and stepped forward if they were truthful about their facts and wanting to find the common ground. Obviously they are not who they said they are; which is really no big surprise.

Wednesday, December 05, 2012 at 3:35 PM Student of History said...

Twindad, I have to admit I didn't have a strong opinion of your posts either way. I was slightly positive because I like people that stir things up. However, I am now disappointed in you. When you said you were an educated man - I believed you. Is your MDiv and earned degree or is it honorary? Because most educated people that I know, know MSW is a Masters of Social Work.

Wednesday, December 05, 2012 at 12:08 PM Psychiatrist said...

The troll is motivated to participate in an internet forum by psychotic delusions or compulsion, or by a neurotic seeking of self-esteem. The postings of a troll are unlikely to make any recognizable sense at all. The troll either seeks to obtain false self-esteem by manipulating the reaction of others, or by demonstrating his "power" to destroy what others enjoy or say. The neurotic troll's primacy of consciousness soon becomes evident: rather than respond substantively to the actual claims and arguments, the troll twist and spins whatever he responds to into whatever he has "the perfect answer" to. Then the original poster points out the manipulation and after they grow tired that they are being exposed either drops out or resorts to using other postings under a different name to propel their cause. Avoid engaging with trolls altogether. It'll save you a lot of frustration and wasted time. And it annoys the heck out of the trolls. In this case, they will never take your advice because they have no power when exposed and have already proven they have no audience outside of anonymity.

Wednesday, December 05, 2012 at 11:20 AM twindad said...

The "logical inference there" is that you should stop the nonsense propagated by these posts that preachers have to be warm and fuzzy. Any other questions?
To Retired, I have no idea what an MSW is and never been in the military. But, I do have an MDiv (which I only brought up to let Dr. Feel-Good know he isn't the only educated preacher around). Don't hate, bro!

Wednesday, December 05, 2012 at 11:14 AM Retired said...

Hey twindad.
I am working on my MSW and am retired military.
I bet if I engaged you in a conversation by the end you would have the same education and background as me. Go figure!


Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 5:45 PM To twindad said...

You say "nobody even insinuated that I place myself in the company of biblical figures mentioned." Yet, when you post in a way that diametrically opposes you to Mr. Pochek, then bring up how he falls short of examples set by Elijah, John the Baptist, and Jesus Christ, what then is the logical inference there?

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 5:37 PM twindad said...

Dr. Pochek, I am so glad your staff thinks you are a baaaad man. With an unbiased endorsement like that, you have most definitely convinced me. You have a warm and fuzzy Christmas. You, too, @twindad. I so badly want you to like me!
To "To twindad", nobody even insinuated that I place myself in the company of biblical figures mentioned. They were included to make sure you so-called christians understand that there are countless examples of preachers who called people out for their hypocrisy and slack observance of the Word of God. If you don't like that, please continue to go to RRBC, home of Dr. Tea Party Sort Of If It Doesn't Offend You.
Warm and fuzzy Christmas to all!

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 5:05 PM To twindad said...

I find it hard to take you serious when you can't/won't be civil to others willing to meet and discuss their beliefs with you. You would rather issue your bluster anonymously from the bully pulpit of the internet than meet with your fellow man. Do you handle your congregation the same way? And even more important--do you really believe what you're offering if you're not willing to actually make a stand by identifying yourself? You mention Elijah, John the Baptist, and Jesus Christ, yet I think you overestimate yourself in placing yourself among them. The men above STOOD by what they preached, while you hide in the shadows stirring the pot. By objective standards, that doesn't make you a virtuous Christian but an internet troll (Wikipedia the term if you're not familiar with it).

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 2:44 PM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

@twindad - Your description of me as "warm and fuzzy" and "politcally correct" gave our staff the best laugh we have had in a while. I have to honestly say, I've never been described that way before! Perhaps, if you would listen to the sermon from Sunday, Dec 2nd, you would draw a different conclusion. Either way, I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but I am not going to engage you any further until you drop the alias.
Why? Not only is it fruitless, but Dr. Shane Baker, registrar at Southeastern Seminary reports he can find no record of a student with the first name: Twin, last name: Dad who graduated in 1992. You said to look it up. I did.
It may be warm and fuzzy, but I do hope y'all have a Merry Christmas!

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 2:36 PM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

@Observer - we'd love to have you visit at Raleigh Road any time! This Sunday will mark the beginning of our Christmas series. I hope you can make it. And, I agree with your assessment of Peace and Farmington Heights, among others...indeed, there are many fine churches and pastors in Wilson doing wonderful, gospel-centered work.

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 2:17 PM @twindad said...

We don't know you. Hard to formulate an opinion on you other than your degrading remarks which speak volumes. Its not about "warm and fuzzy" but respect and maturity. Anyone can come in here and call themselves a pastor; it is not the label that makes the man. You are worried about spelling while people are dying without Jesus. I looked at their website and if Dr. Pocheck was politically correct he wouldn't have preached on what he preached on the last two messages. I attend Rosebud Church and I can assure you that our pastor would meet with you as well and you definitely can't say he worries about being politically correct! Bring it on sir.

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 11:13 AM twindad said...

Thank you to all who have noticed the difference between Dr. Rob "Politically Correct" Pochek and me. Some (maybe most) of you agree with his "I-hope-I-don't-offend-anyone" approach, but I am glad you see a contrast between the two of us because I would not want to be confused with Dr. Warm-n-Fuzzy. He takes time to admiringly write out all 15 precepts of the Tea Party -- along with their website, but then tries to convince us that he doesn't really like the Tea Party. And, of course, his political views don't affect his preaching.
Some posters who have come to Dr. Pochek's defense have indicated that they attend RRBC. If anyone examines the biblical content of their posts, one can only come to a single sad conclusion: RRBC and Dr. Test-the-Wind are a perfect marriage. Every other word misspelled (including "Christen" [sic]). No knowledge of what a MDiv degree is. Total lack of understanding of the most basic biblical principles, including salvation. And, an allegiance to the Tea Party (I know @twindad is a Tea Partier).
As for my confrontational style, I am tired of watching so-called christians, like Dr. Rob Pochek, pervert and distort the truth of the Word of God. If you really knew the Bible, you would realize that preachers are not supposed to be soft-and-cuddly (like Dr. Warm Pillow). Check out Elijah, Isaiah, John the Baptist, and none other than Jesus Himself (Matthew 23).
By the way, I hope everyone has a great Christmas, that you find the perfect tree, that Santa is really good to you, and all that warm and fuzzy stuff (that has nothing to do with Christmas, but makes me sound like such a nice guy, though). Does everyone like me?!

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 10:04 AM The point is said...

The point is to rant less and dicussion the secession petition, for which this article is about. And if there is nothing else to say about the topic, call a truce. This religious bickering is going nowhere. This behavior does not set a positive example to unbelievers. Isn't that what us, Christians are instructed to do?

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 10:01 AM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

@lurker - My comments in the article above, on my Facebook page and in forums such as this are my personal views. They are not intended to be, nor are they represented to be, the views of the congregation I serve. Indeed, our church has people who are Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Tea Party members and Independents; yet, in Christ, we are one body.
What I find "a shame" is that our culture has drifted into a pseudo-McCarthyism that assumes the private views of employees are endorsed by employers, and then would seek to malign the employer for the views of their employee.
I find it "a shame" that some defend anonymous attacks and denigrate public acknowledgement of one's views. I suppose it is a function of the social media / reality show narcissism that has so infected our culture. By that, I mean that people want to voice their opinions but not actually be held accountable for their words - anonymity provides that. It also does nothing to further understanding or reconciliation.
@LOL - you are right....and that is why I invited twindad to an in-person meeting! All we do by having "in-house" theological debates here is harm the cause of Christ in Wilson.
God bless each of you. Have a Merry Christmas.

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 9:45 AM Observer said...

Dr. Pocheck, thank you for your straight forward posts and avoiding subjective ranting. I think based on your posts I'm going to try your church this Sunday. No, I'm not a tea party person but do believe in many of their core ideas; just without all the antics of some. There have been meetings among pastors in the town from time to time. There used to be more meetings and efforts to come together as one. But I also realize just how many of our current churches are split offs from other churches in town. I think that hinders some church members (I admit, me included) from wanting to work with others which is a real shame. I can see which churches are prospering in town and which ones God is honoring. I think Dr. Pochek's church is one of those churches. I also think Peace Church, Farmington Heights are others that seem to have God's honor in their mission. And I'm sure others, but we should be thanking God for these men and their sometimes "thankless" work. And to be honest, for all the hard work it takes to get a PhD... I would use "Dr." in front of my name as well. I guess we should stop calling our M.D. just medical people in order to not offend others. Whoever Twindad is, stop. Its people like you that made me drop out of church for almost 10 years now.

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 9:23 AM @lurker said...

So you post from work? You do know most people have smart phones, tablets and PC's these days not work related??? A Pastor also has his rights under the constitution just like everyone else. He doesn't speak for others since he really has a building with voluntary attendance. You on the other hand, stop using work time to post messages.

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 8:54 AM LoL said...

Courtesy of the WDT: Pastor Throwdown, where various pastors (some remaining frustratingly anonymous) of various churches come together to debate theological differences in full view of the WDT readership. Watch out for all the Bible verses and Greek etymologies getting tossed about!

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 11:57 PM the lurker speaks said...

In defense of the anonymous posts. most people have employers who would not want them posting political rants on the internet under their real name. That's just the way it is. Apparently the preacher's (Porchek) church fully endorses his making these posts. That''s a shame.

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 11:42 PM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

@twindad - it is biblically impossible to "call someone out" anonymously. For all of your bluster about biblical fidelity, it is a shame that you choose to ignore this most basic biblical concept. Particularly since your accusation is baseless and without merit. My offer remains open to meet with you personally to discuss the "differences" you seem to think we have.
@Simple Sinner - I appreciate your encouragement for an ecumenical effort to work on the numerous challenges facing our community. During the interview with Mr. Friedman I suggested to him that I would love to see some sort of round table or town hall type gathering of pastors and civic leaders to address just such issues. Perhaps that is something that can come to pass early in 2013. I would certainly have interest in participating in such a gathering. I believe we can make a difference in these issues by working together rather than working against one another. I realize that my participation in the petition opens me to the accusation of being divisive. I sincerely regret that, for I do believe in the power of a community working together toward common goals. I have done so in my former community and I would love to do so here in my new home of Wilson, NC.

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 11:33 PM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

@John Thompson - Mr. Thompson, thank you for your service to this country. At this time of the year especially, we should keep our military men and women in our prayers. And, not only them, but also those who serve in law enforcement. As I was reminded recently by my friend, Chris Raper:
"Since the beginning of our involvement in Afghanistan in 2001, we have lost 2161 American troops.
During that same time, we have lost 1914 United States Law Enforcement Officers in the line of duty HERE IN AMERICA. Our LEO's are in a war ...that will not end and one they will not win. It is a pretty thankless job. Let's remember them this Christmas in our prayers."

Tuesday, December 04, 2012 at 11:22 PM Suzanne McAllister said...

I agree with Mr. Thompson. The Wilson Daily Times should stop approving post that are not signed. It would cut down on vicious acts and give merit to ones opinion.

Monday, December 03, 2012 at 5:51 PM local_wilsonian said...

It was stated earlier (paraphrasing) that Dr. Pochek shouldn't dare mix his politics with his sermons. Several other people have made mention of that as well. Still others have brought some pretty serious and concerning accusations at his feet. They basically have not stood behind it or stood up for their accusations. This is really too bad that people use the anonymity of the internet to say "whatever" without recourse or straight up embarassment. Pochek has faithfully answered every accusation with a very gracious and loving response. I am personally vouching for this man, I am a member at RRBC. He has NEVER brought his politics into his sermons. I would probably be the first to walk out of the church if he did. I am very sensitive about politics in the pulpit and I feel that a pastor has no place blasting his political feelings or opinions to a congregation. Again as a member who regularly attends, Pochek has done none of that. His sermons are often heartfelt, strong, Biblical, and unashamed. I personally find the whole petition "silly" as well. Some of the rediculous comments I found ammusing too. Upon reading the accusations and the more outragious comments I felt compeled to share the content and vouch for Pochek's preaching.
As for twindad, you make yourself look like a "fool". Your lack of consistant and coherent arguments, your blatent attacks at Pochek and others on this forum point to yourself as the true "fool." Reading your opinions or posts is like reading the 14 year old on youtube who is posting obscenities and silly things to a Bieber video. It really makes NO sense.

Monday, December 03, 2012 at 5:35 PM @twindad said...

I have figured it out. You said on other posts you were " a white pastor with a masters in divinity." After reading your last comment I find it hard to believe anything of the sort. You sir/madam are more likely a very liberal, black American who just loves to here yourself. Your posts are very pointed to the Tea Party and others who disagree with you. Pastors normally share a common bond when speaking to one another. You however do not fit that mold. There is way to much hate in your comments against Republicans and others who call themselves Christens you do not know nor can you see into their hearts. Just because they disagree with you does not make them evil does it? If so I wonder why you would think so?

Monday, December 03, 2012 at 5:35 PM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

@twindad - It seems clear that you would rather fight and argue than try work toward mutual understanding. I have made clear my theological position regarding the Lordship of Christ and you and I are in agreement. Yet, you persist with your line of argumentation, clearly ignoring the facts. I suppose you would take issue with John Newton (the writer of Amazing Grace) for saying, "I am a gret sinner, and Christ is a great Savior." Acknowleding Christ's work is not a denial of his Person.
It also appears clear that you have chosen to ignore Jesus' admonition in Matthew 18:15-17 for believers to work out their differences in person. It is unfortunate that you would rather remain in anonymity, in direct disobedience to the biblical approach to conflict resolution. I remain open to our meeting - in person - to work out our apparent disagreements. You know who I am and where I serve. The invitation remains open.
For those who took issue with the petition or with my signing it - I understand. Please know that I do not believe political principles should separate brothers and sisters in Christ. In Jesus' first band of disciples there were two people with diametrically opposed political views - Matthew the Tax Collector and Simon the Zealot. This would be the equivalent today of Rush Limbaugh and George Soros! Matthew worked FOR the Roman government while Simon the Zealot wanted to OVERTHROW the Roman government. Yet, in Christ, both of these men discovered something (and, indeed, Someone) that transcended political bickering. It is my hope that the same can be accomplished in our lives. Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, by Christ alone, according to the Scripture alone, and to God's glory alone - in short, there is no political addendum to the five solae of the Reformation! Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, and, yes, even a few Tea Party members will share heaven, IF they have trusted in Christ alone as their Lord and Savior. We may differ in how we think our government should work, but let none of us be guilty of adding political viewpoints to the finished work of the risen Christ.
May God bless each of you and may you have a blessed Christmas season.

Monday, December 03, 2012 at 5:25 PM twindad said...

In response to @twindad, having a MDiv does NOT mean I having "a Dr. [sic] degree". Since you are "also a pastor", you should certainly know that.
MDiv stands for "Masters of Divinity", and I do have that degree from Southeastern Theological Seminary. I obtained it in 1992. You can look that up. First name: Twin. Last name: Dad.
As far as getting irritated because he called me out, I am the one who called him out for preaching a watered-down version of God's definition of salvation.
On the brighter side, I am glad everyone in Wilson knows everybody. And, I am certainly glad everybody in Wilson is a pastor!

Monday, December 03, 2012 at 4:33 PM Simple Sinner said...

Thank you for your very eloquent comments on a rung bell. Since I seem to have sufficiently touched a nerve enough for you to consider my thoughts, I respectfully, have a challenge for you. Perhaps there is another tender nerve I can touch.
Stop engaging in this adolescent name calling and focus on the "larger (and far more important) mission." Call an ecumenical meeting in downtown Wilson and prayerfully work through God for us. We have so many of God's children in trouble. They are not going to school like they should, they are hungry, they can't find jobs, some because they are lazy, others because they have lost hope. And they are having babies. Lord have mercy upon us for all the babies being born to mothers that are only children themselves. These aren't liberal or conservative issues; they are not constitutional issues, they are not Democratic or Republican issues. These are God's issues and his eye must surely have a tear in it to see how we are turning out - fighting and name calling.
It is a huge thankless job and in the end you will probably fail. But a man on a cross doesn't need any explanations.
If you pick up this mantle - Godspeed.


Monday, December 03, 2012 at 4:25 PM Same parade, different day said...

Well I see twindad is back ruffling feathers again. I also seem to recall other inflammatory statements he made against the Tea Party earlier in the year, and yet when invited to one of their meetings, he fell silent and did not attend. I suppose it's pretty easy to throw stones from the shadows, and I suspect that for all his talk, he'll follow the same course again. Sort of makes you wonder though--is this his idea of making a stand for Christ? Does a 'good Christian' (and stated pastor at that) hide behind the anonymity of the internet issuing judgment, when others would gladly meet him face to face? Seems a bit odd to me.

Monday, December 03, 2012 at 2:16 PM @twindad said...

I'm also a pastor and you my friend are wrong. No one who consistently attacks and criticizes another Christian has the love of God abiding in Him. Are you a Christian? What is your name and your church? Post your sermons. God is light not hiding in the dark. And this is the internet and if you think we all believe you have a Dr. degree, I'm Buggs Bunny. I am also a pastor that has been here over 30 yearas and I know most all the pastors in town and I know the ones with a divinity degree and they WOULD NOT be posting what you post on a WDT comment section.
Yes, you do need to meet Dr. Pocheck. You owe it to him & God after the name calling you did to him and the continued attacks. He does preach salvation my friend and perhaps you should try a dose of it? Maybe you are just irritated because you got called out?
Here is my lesson for you: I feel when we get to heaven, we will all, (me included) discover that we have been wrong about certain beliefs we held as true. But the centrality of the cross and Jesus crucified is solid theological ground and not negotiable.
Jesus went in to sit with tax collectors, prostitutes, and sinners and He accepted them and they welcomed Him…but we can not accept each other who are supposed to be one in faith and hope and love? This always outraged the Pharisees, the Sadducees and the priests. In I John 4:20 and elsewhere, John repeatedly says that no one who claims to really love God, will despise or hate their brother or sister (I John 1:6). No one who consistently attacks and criticizes another Christian has the love of God abiding in Him. Jesus said this is the litmus test: By this, all men (& women) may know, if you have love, one for another. That was the very last commandment given to the disciples before His crucifixion.
Jesus died for our sins, He was crucified in our place so that we might have eternal fellowship and life with God to enjoy Him forever, and glorify, praise and worship Him for eternity in great joy. When Christians lower their swords against each other and wield them against the one who it is intended for, then the true purpose for the sword is found. Scripture indicated that It is most certainly not intended for other Christians.


Monday, December 03, 2012 at 11:49 AM twindad said...

I meet people like Dr. Rob Pochek every day. They are not uncommon. The good Doctor is prouder of his degrees than anything else -- hence the fact that "Dr." has become his first name. By the way, I also have an MDiv from Southeastern Theological Seminary, but unlike the "Doctor" I am not posting (or, it is boasting) about it at every opportunity.
I don't need or wish to meet with the "Doctor". I know the Author of the Bible intimately. I know what His Word says. And, unlike the good "Doctor", I do not misrepresent the Bible's message of salvation and then offer up a weak excuse of "sparing the WT readers". When someone brags about the fact what he preaches ("God is holy, man is sinful, and Christ as Savior"), and it leaves out what the Bible defines as true salvation, I don't need to meet with them to "debate theology in person". Abraham Lincoln is famously credited with saying, "Never argue with a fool, lest you be considered one yourself." I have probably spent too much time debating with you in writing as it is, but my motive was to wake you up to what the Bible says about the way to receive eternal life through Jesus Christ. (Once again, it is not Savior only; it is Savior and Lord -- which, by your own admission, you do not preach.)
Your posts have revealed who you are and what you stand for. My posts have as well. Your affinity for -- if not affiliation with -- the Tea Party says it all, as far as I am concerned.
I pray that the Holy Spirit will help you see what your book learning has not. May God help you.

Monday, December 03, 2012 at 10:04 AM @twindud said...

Looks like you've been called out. You going to meet with Dr. Pocheck? Show us your website and sermons. Show us your church. I've heard you are not an ordained minister and have no seminary degree. I checked out some of Dr. Pocheck's sermons online and I surely didn't find a watered down gospel but some pretty straight forward stepping on toe preaching.

Monday, December 03, 2012 at 8:54 AM @@simon said...

There is a reason Obama went to Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years.
Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright's sermons. I wonder why now?
Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 - 20 "Go and make disciples of all nations." This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to think like you, walk like you; talk like you believe what you believe etc. The question I have is what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?
Would you support a White President who went to a church which has tenets that said they have a ...
1. Commitment to the White Community
2. Commitment to the White Family
3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community.
5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
Would you support a President who went to a church like that?
Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of Obama's former church. If any white leader was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist.
This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist church. The church can't be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.


Monday, December 03, 2012 at 8:51 AM @commonsense said...

Those were examples of where people just didn't float down river as dead fish. Nothing more, nothing less. Think you tried too hard to find something to debate and you need to check your own grammar! I am not a Tea Party person but just a plain old American that fought in a war that guaranteed your right to debate. I always love it when someone can't find something to debate they'll attack spelling, grammar, history or whatever they can find that doesn't have anything to do with intent. I applaud Dr. Pocheck for his replies and him putting his name and church on display. I think the paper should STOP letting people comment anonymously. John Thompson, Wilson NC.

Monday, December 03, 2012 at 8:44 AM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

I appreciate the comment about "unringing the bell" though I have not tried to do so. I have, however, recognized that my public acknowledgement of signing this petition has caused a lot of misunderstanding. Indeed, I would aruge that "Petitioners Emphasize State Sovereignty" would have been a more accurate title of the article and would have better represented the signers (at least those that I know personally). Either way, I don't intend to bore the readers of the WT with a lengthy description of my political convictions. Suffice it to say that I describe myself as a compassionate conservative. That is, I believe in limited government, the role of non-profits and churches in battling poverty, free markets, and individual liberty. I have sought to lead Raleigh Road to be involved in addressing some of these matters, though imperfectly, to be sure. But, we have made a difference in the lives of children in Wilson county who do not have sufficient food to eat on weekends. But, there are many other churches that do far more than we do and I commend them for it.
While you are correct that Jesus' comments about the Roman government were fairly limited, the rest of Scripture gives us good guidance as to how to view those in authority over us (i.e. Rom 13). And, I would agree that conservatives (like myself) seem to get ourselves into debates that often detract from our larger (and far more important) mission. I regret that has happened in this situation.
As to the question on gun ownership....let me begin by stating the obvious: the Second Amendment guarantees private citizens the right to keep and bear arms. It is a simple statement that does not intend to define or limit the scope of what those "arms" are. It was the Founding Fathers (like Jefferson, Madison, etc) who viewed the Second Amendment as a guard against tyrrany. For that reason, I get very nervous when the government attempts to decide which weapons are acceptable and which are not. Simply put, too many of our elected officials provide knee-jerk reactions to tragic events. As soon as someone commits a horrific crime with a gun, politicians begin to talk about new "bans." However, when the tragedy in Wyoming occured last week, I didn't hear any outcry for banning archery equipment or knives. At the end of the day, banning any type of weapon will not stop criminals from obtaining or possession them. After all, criminals break the law - that's what makes them criminals!
So, while I do not favor bans on weapons (including so-called "assault weapons"), I do favor background checks for the purchase of firearms. I also think that responsible gun owners will seek out training to properly use their weapon and know the legality of using it. Having said all of that, I believe the existing laws on the books, stricly enforced, are more than sufficient.
One last thing regarding gun ownership. I was born and raised in Southern Illinois. The State of Illinois is the most restrictive state in the nation when it comes to gun laws. Illinois has NO concealed carry rights, for anyone. Illinois will not allow you to transport a loaded weapon in your vehicle - ever. Yet, with the strictest gun laws in the nation, Chicago perpetually has one of the highest gun crime rates in the nation.
I pray readers of this post would have a Merry Christmas. After all, peace on earth will not be achieved by political ends, by secession petitions, by any President or political party, or by guns....that's because it was achieved by Jesus Christ, who, though his death, satisfied the demands of his holy Heavenly Father, and made it possible for sinful people like us to know God personally.

Monday, December 03, 2012 at 12:09 AM To Dr. Rob Pochek said...

I agree you have a right, as a private citizen, to voice your opinions. That is one of the things that sets the US apart from most other countries, our right to free speech. That we can agree on. You did state, however, that you agree with the Tea Party that gun ownership is sacred. Am I correct? If so, then I have a question for you, and based on the comments from you I have read, I believe, if you choose to answer, your response will be heart-felt and based on what you truly believe. Here is my question. Does your belief in gun ownership include assault weapons or do you draw a line at the ownership of handguns, shotguns and rifles? If you will sir, please respond to this query. I would simply like to know where you would draw the line.

Sunday, December 02, 2012 at 8:47 PM Commonsense said...

To the reader who responded to my earlier post. Your poor grammar and sentence structure made it difficult for me to decipher the meaning of your comments, but here is my best effort at doing so. You imply that whatever perceived grievances you and the Tea Party have with this country or its government are comparable to those of participants in the Boston Tea Party and of civil rights protestors during the Jim Crow Era. Your lack of historical perspective is appalling. Participants in the Boston Tea Party were led by Sam Adams, who as an importer, had a personal business interest in protesting the tax on tea levied by the British Parliament. But comparing the signing of a petition to secede to Rosa Parks' use of civil disobedience in in 1950's Alabama is completely and historically inaccurate. How dare you compare the sufferings of black Americans during the many decades of Jim Crow to whatever those of you in the far right consider to be "injustices" today. You, sir or madam, are as far off base as one can be. Your lack of historical perspective is appalling. Furthermore, Massachusetts Bay WAS NOT, and I repeat, was not a colony by the 1760's. Now, Massachusetts was. Hopefully, you meant to reference the Massachusetts colony. You stated "secession is not an act that is intended to work." What on Earth did you mean? I suppose those brave Southerners (and Northerners) who perished in the Lost Cause would have been more than happy to have heard that before they marched off to sacrifice their lives in that terrible conflict. Hey, maybe some were even your ancestors. Again, I find your lack of historical perspective completely lacking! If you are going to debate on a forum such as this, You may want to visit a library. That is where you will most likely find the true facts of history, not on the FOX network. Debates are healthy exercises, but it helps if both sides are well informed with facts, not just opinions.

Sunday, December 02, 2012 at 8:33 PM @tired said...

And the Bible is not going away either. And homosexuality is not about discrimination or opinions, its about following the Bible; Romans 1. God didn't ask us to have an opinion but to read his Word and follow it. So what lifestyle people choose does not impact the Bible even if the whole nation goes gay it doesn't make it right in the eyes of God. You can choose to not be a Christian and not follow it; maybe that's what you meant. I think you hit the nail on the head though; RESPECT. But don't disrespect Christians for standing for their beliefs and the Bible. The Bible is not about being politically correct and Jesus said all men are created equal but he didn't say that all men die equal. Its your choice. So if you are "tired" of hearing Christian talk about homosexulaity as being wrong, then don't ask Christians their opinion. Or if you are a Christian and think its ok, you are not following the Bible. "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your OWN understanding."

Sunday, December 02, 2012 at 8:27 PM To "@simon" said...

Let us recall "twisted values" of evangelical southern Christians in years past: working to deny women the right to vote; racial segregation; Jim Crow laws; criminalizing homosexuality. It was liberal Christians that worked for women's suffrage, it was liberal Christians who worked to end segregation, it was liberal Christians who prayed and worked to de-criminalize what goes on in our bedrooms; and it is liberal Christians who worked and voted to make marriage equality a fact in several states. Some Wilsonians, notably evangelicals, may have difficulty understanding liberal Christianity because the nearest liberal Christian community that Obama identifies with (United Church of Christ, i.e., the church of our Pilgrim mothers and fathers) does not have a congregation in NC east of Raleigh. Community United Church of Christ, Raleigh, NC, held the first integrated Bible School for children in Raleigh while much of the south was still segregated - and they received bomb threats for doing so. If you want to find hundreds of United Church of Christ congregations, go north and west. That demographic contributes to many in the South not being able to understand liberal people of faith. Trust me, if you were born up north, the chances are high that you'd think and act more liberally. Liberalism is part of the culture there; conservatism is much a part of the culture here. Liberal folk up north have as much difficulty understanding your conservative, evangelical views as you have understanding theirs. Unfortunately for you, retirees from the north are relocsting to the south because the climate's warmer here and the cost of living is less. This influx of liberal northerners has been recognized as factor in the changing southern voter demographic in years to come.

Sunday, December 02, 2012 at 1:55 PM To Dr. Pochek said...

You can't un-ring the bell. If you don't support the premise of these people, why did you cast your lot with them?
One of the problems with The Church, in my opinion, is it's unwillingness to be involved in social issues from a Christ-like point of view. You know, all that feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc. stuff.
I defer to and honor your degree, but it seems to me, a simple sinner, that we find the liberal side of The Church mostly mute on these issues for fear of sounding offensive and the conservative side arguing about things like secession and taxes - things about which on which, other than commanding us to render unto Caesar..., I don't recall Jesus spending much time.
So where do you stand Dr. Pochek? As we approach the celebration of the birth of our Lord in a manger to young poor parents, for what things are you advocating and supporting? Take a stand on the issues that were, are, and will be important to Christ, and don't walk away from your convictions.


Sunday, December 02, 2012 at 12:52 PM tired said...

Don't you all see, homosexuality is not going away. You may take legal abortion away, but it will not stop. There is a fine line between separation of church and state. There will alway be some form of discrimination as long and every one has their own opinion. And Muslim extends from Eshmael, son Abraham, the one God said would be the father of many nations. We each have our own opinions and moral values. If we can respect the differences in each other, God will be the judge of what is right and wrong when we each stand before him one day.

Sunday, December 02, 2012 at 12:25 PM Simon said...

@said maybe a seriously damaged person. The Secret Service needs to be notified.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 8:09 PM @twindud said...

Who are you? You must state your name and church affiliation to give your statements merit. You sure like to attack fellow ministers don't you? That's not Christian like at all. I think Dr. Pocheck's church speaks for itself. I've been there and they preach the Bible, from the Bible and through the Bible. They have people becoming Christians all the time and send people all over the US and the world witnessing to people. Think you just need to worry about the jewels in your own crown because if you are saved, we are going to spend eternity together bro! and based on all the contriving quotes you make on EVERY topic out there, you need to spend more time in the Word and less time on the computer. Matt 7:21

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 8:04 PM @simon said...

How can Christians vote for Obama who backs gays, abortions, liberal judges, taking God out of our country, racist church background, and Muslim background? And you are worried about a Mormon taking over America?? God help you and your twisted views.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 7:29 PM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

@twinddad....I provided a simple formulation in response to your characterization of Raleigh Road BC as some kind of "I'm OK, You're OK" church. (I still have no idea what you are referring to.) I provided that simple formulation because I figured most readers would not be interested in my providing a copy of the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message (our official statement of faith) or of the Second London Confession of Faith (which is one of my favorites). Of course, I could have gotten into the details over Lordship Salvation (which you did), but decided to spare the WT readers a debate that has raged within evangelicalism for at least 30 years. For the record, I DO preach Christ as Lord and Savior. If you think someone could complete a M.Div. and a Ph.D. at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (during the Mohler years) and NOT preach Christ as Lord and Savior, you are woefully mistaken. You are welcome to visit our website (www.raleighroad.com) and listen to nearly every sermon I have delivered since being called here in July 2009. I assure you, sir, you will not find ANY message you could characterize as "I'm OK, You're OK"!
Finally, I really wish you would have the courage to come out from behind your alias ("twindad"). Let us see who it is that feels so confident as to malign a Wilson church and pastor. Any time you would like to debate theology in person, I will be more than happy to accomodate you. Unlike you, sir, I have not hidden my identity or the church that I pastor.
To the readers of these comments, I apologize that my role in an article intended to emphasize the importance of limited government has resulted in the cause of Christ being maligned and the church I love and serve being maligned. I sincerely believe that we, as Americans, have far more in common than we disagree upon. My prayer is that we would find that common ground and work constructively together. May God bless America, President Obama, and each of you.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 7:28 PM @twindad said...

You've never been to Dr. Pocheck's church; that's a fact! Think you are the one with issues and are you saved/A Christian? Seems you never answer that question on any forum. Again I ask are you man/woman enough to go to Dr. Pocheck? Are you? And who are you? God never asked us to stand in the shadows and judge; especially not fellow pastors. You should be ashamed of yourself and you are definitely not acting like a Christian.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 7:24 PM Student of History said...

These people are idiots
People all over the world are literally dying to get into this country. From the Berlin Wall to the Mexican Border to Cuban boat lifts people are risking everything they have to get here. The Berlin Wall and the fences on our southern border were not constructed to keep Americans in, the were constructed to keep people out of this great country.
Any time Mr Killion and his ilk want to spend time on the other side of those barriers, Delta is ready when you are.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 4:40 PM @said said...

What on earth? It is beyond ridiculous to accuse Republicans of refusing to work with a black president! First of all, he's not black, he's mixed. Most importantly, there's much more to be afraid of with Obama than the color of his skin. He is a liberal, socialistic Muslim who is in the top elected position of our country. He hates America and wants to escalate the already out-of-control government entitlements. Forget the color of his skin! That's the least of America's worries!

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 4:01 PM Simon said...

People who signed the petitions and also those of the Tea Party helped get Obama re-elected by their extreme right views. It's time the Republicans get their house in order. I will never understand how evangelical christians justified voting for a powerful man who belongs to a extremely powerful cult. We may have dodged the anti-christ, just saying.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 3:27 PM twindad said...

Dr. Rob Pochek is the perfect candidate to lead the "I'm OK, You're OK" Church. According to his own words, he preaches "God is holy, man is sinful and Christ is Savior". Great and true as far as it goes, but that alone will not get anyone to heaven. Dr. Pochek's formula is precisely what is wrong with so-called christians. In our southern culture where most people claim to be christians, Dr. Pochek's formula works great. I don't want to go to hell. So, in the event that there is such a thing, I will simply go through the formalities of accepting "Christ as Savior". No big deal. Just show me what I have to do. Then, I'll just go back to doing what I was doing, living like I was living, hating who I was hating. I'm "saved" now. I went through the little rituals of the "I'm OK, You're OK" Churdh. I'm good.
To Dr. Pochek and all you so-called christians out there, here is what is missing from your little formula at your "I'm OK, You're OK" Church. According the Bible -- you know, the book of instructions, the blueprint -- Jesus Christ cannot simply be Savior. He must be Lord. Jesus Christ cannot simply be your "get-out-of-hell" insurance card that you keep in your backpocket, and you plan to pull out on judgement day.
You need to preach "God is holy, man is sinful and Christ must be Savior and Lord". Big difference. The word "lord" is the Greek word kurios, which means "the one who owns me". If Jesus Christ is the one who owns you, you're good to go. If He is simply your insurance policy, you are a so-called christian and won't make it to heaven.
This is the core message of salvation. It is consistently presented to us throughout the New Testament (examples: Romans 10:9; rich young ruler in Mark 10:17-31; 1 John 2:1-6; Matthew 10:34-39; Luke 14:25-27 just to cite a few). I am disheartened you have missed it. But, it is not too late.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 12:19 PM said...

Really? Is having a bi-racial president so bad that you would destroy your country? I think you should be sent to a third world county to live for a few days and you would realize how lucky we are to live in the USA. President Obama has done a great job with what he "inherited" from W. Two wars and a failing economy....not to mention Republicans that will not work with a black president. It has to be race because I have never seen a president treated so poorly in my entire life. Shameful. Luckily, the nation spoke loudly on November 7th!!!!!Did you hear them? Listen closely, even with a struggling economy, they picked a black man over Romney. It was not for the free stuff because everyone I know that voted for President Obama is very educated, wealthy, employed...or and some are even religious.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 10:34 AM So silly. said...

These petitions are so funny to me. It reminds me of when I give my child a consequence and she says that she pouts for days.
Have you ever been to other countries? The USA is still the BEST place to live. I love the USA! Other countries also wanted President Obama to win. Romney has shown his true colors since he was so badly defeated.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 10:29 AM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

Thanks to @To Mr Pochek for asking a couple good questions. Your assessment is correct, that, as a grass roots opinion poll, the petition garnered less than 1% of the voting population of NC. Nationwide, the petition has garnered about 1 million signatures, which is, again, about 1% of the total number of people who cast votes. Certainly it is not a scientific "poll" of any sort. My statement that it was "grass roots" was intended to reflect the fact that no organization put it together and it was not created by a polling / public opinion group. That is all I meant. I did not mean to imply a groundswell of any type. My apologies for not being clearer.
My only regret in signing the petition is the misunderstandings that it has caused. I suspect that most of the people who are upset with the petition would be pleasantly surprised to discover that there is much we hold in common politically.
Like any other political entity, the Tea Party has folks in it that I disagree with. The same is true of the Democrat party and the Republican party. Any time the extreme elements of a political organization are characterized as the "norm" of that organization, it is hurtful.
As for gun rights being "sacred." The right to self-defense is sacred. In America, the Founding Fathers saw self-defense and gun ownership as concomitant. Jesus was not opposed to the use of personal weapons for self-defense, as is obvious from the fact that some of Jesus' disciples carried swords / daggers on their person (i.e. Mt 26:51) and that Jesus encouraged his followers to protect themselves in the face of an aggresive Roman empire (see Luke 22:36). So, while it is noble to die for our faith, it is also permissible to defend ourselves against those who are attacking us for material gain or selfish motives.
I truly believe that most Americans hold far more in common politically that we disagree on. Unfortunately, forums like this are terribly limited in our ability to actually dialgoue and understand one another's viewpoints. May God bless each of you, our nation and our President.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 9:41 AM @michele obama said...

Funny how many people think its about race. Seems the only people bringing up race are those who can't seem to think of anything else. You seen the economy? You seen the debt America is in? You see congress improving under Obama's leadership? You don't understand why Christians don't like a President who backs gay marriage, abortion? Get a grip folks...this ain't about race at least for me. And newsflash...Obama is not black. He is half white. In golf I always thought it was funny that Tiger Woods didn't want to be known as the "first African American...." because he is half Asian. Let's play fair in your comments.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 8:50 AM @commonsense said...

While you are in those history books, take a look at all the "illegal" activity which made America, well America..... Attempts at or aspirations of secession from the United States have been a feature of the country's politics since its birth. The Boston Tea Party refusing to pay the tax required, Rosa Parks sit in which broke the law, in defiance of England, Massachusetts Bay declares itself independent, religious freedoms, voting freedoms, and on and on and on. Secession is an "act" that is not intended to work; its a political move. Kinda surprised you didn't figure that out. Maybe you should get out of the library and out into reality.

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 8:28 AM Commonsense said...

Thanks to "Obamaphobacarefungicideite" for being the only reader of these comments who understood the meaning of my comment concerning home schooling /private schooling vs. public education. I have absolutely nothing against home schooling or private schooling. These are choices people make and I can live with that. As Obamaphobacarefungicideite correctly pointed out, I was taking to task Michael Crowell (UNC) for stating "the NC Public School system must not be doing its job if these people think they can secede from the union." But just as so many of you uptight, shortsighted narrow minded hypocrites so often do, you chose to interpret my comments in a way that suited your purpose. I could really care less where anyone reading these comments attended school. That's your business. I just hope you all learned something about civics and history in all those years. Secession in N.C. is ILLEGAL my friends. If you don't believe me, visit your local library and do a little research. Nuff said!

Saturday, December 01, 2012 at 9:48 PM @twindud said...

I think Dr. Pocheck is a great pastor, preacher and teacher because he IS my pastor, preacher and teacher. You, I've never heard off...& I don't recall any preachers in town called "Pastor twindad". How about you take it offline and go see Dr. Pocheck in person. Are you that big a person? Or are you afraid to get out from behind the anonymity of the computer?? So if you have a beef with home schooling, where did you go? What college did you graduate from?

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 8:01 PM Michelle Obama for President said...

Liberals are patriotic Americans as well, many
have died in all of our wars,many are Physician's
and Police (big city police departments are union)
& love this country and voted for President Obama
I would think this preacher is just reacting to
the Democratic' winning the last Presidential
election ,no one has ever called up Republicans
for starting the wars in Iraq which killed many
thousands of people. Funny how we can selectively
choose who we wish to condemn ,why to me it's a
bit Un-Christian.
Funny how Humans scream being scared all of a sudden with a black centered President winning
Yes winning by the vote of the majority of our
Citizens a second term in spite of billions of
dollars spent by the Republican's ,now that's
something to be scared about, how running for President or the Senate etc. needs this sort of financial backing akin to a pro sports team.
Anyway it is just my opinion no Republican will
take the Presidency running on many of the tea party ideas that Dr. Pochek spiels about but it
draws attention in the way an unjust war will not.
of Dr. Pochek

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 7:45 PM How does government work? said...

Does anyone posting for or against the president understand the president doesn't run the country?
The president does not draft, discuss, introduce or vote on legislation.
The folks that do that are called the CONGRESS.
We voted for them also.
Each party is controlled by probably two people that extort the rest in an effort to forward their agenda.
In other words, get re-elected.
Anyone who spouts only 'the republicans..', 'the democrats.....', need to wake up and realize that no bill introduced gets passed without votes from both parties.
There are idiots on both sides interested only in re-election.
And YOU are dumb enough to keep voting for them.
The problem is not the government.
The problem are the VOTERS IN BOTH PARTIES drinking the kool aid and buying into the notion that any one party can fix this country.
What do they tell you before you go into battle?
Look at the guy on your left and your right. One of them will die today.
Do you get it yet?
Stop bashing each other and realize we are the ones suffering, not ALL OF THE POLITICIANS!

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 6:53 PM To Mr. Pochek said...

“I would describe this as a grassroots opinion poll,” he (Pastor Pochek) said. “It’s not something taken by a polling agency that can ask questions this way or that way to influence the results.” So, do you still hold to this view? If so, some facts from that observation. Total signatures on the current petition (not all of whom are from North Carolina, it should be noted): 30,537. Current North Carolina population (as of 2011, from Google): 9,656,401. Percentage of North Carolinians participating in the petition (erring on the side of generosity by including all who signed the petition): 0.32%. Once again, 0.32%. At less than 1% participation, I don't think you can even call this grassroots. While you say that you supported the measure symbolically, I don't see where signing this petition (symbolically or not) results in any tangible good for our country. Seeing your posts here after the fact, I wonder if you now regret your participation in the first place. Meanwhile, I see others have talked about the Tea Party. Do you think the Tea Party's involvement in petitions such as these furthers their cause or rather pushes people away through the divisiveness? Just curious.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 6:33 PM And God said...

"Gun ownership is sacred"? I don't think so. Gun ownership is a right protected by the Consitution. It is not a Commandment.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 5:45 PM And God said...

"Gun ownership is sacred"? I don't think so. Gun ownership is a right, not a Commandment.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 5:41 PM CURTIS SAID..... said...

AS OLE MERLE HAGGARD SAID IN HIS VERY GOOD SONG, IF YOU DONT LOVE IT LEAVE IT.....GO TO RUSSIA OR SYRIA OR IRAN. YOU CAN LOVE THEM,THEY WILL LOVE YOU BACK...REMEMBER, YOU CANNOT PROTEST OF YOU WILL GET SHOT OR LOCKED UP FOR LIKE...THINK

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM Dr Rob Pochek said...

@twindad - why must you persist with name-calling?
As for "I'm OK, You're OK"....I have no idea what you are referring to. We preach God is holy, man is sinful, and Christ is Savior.
Finally, I do not hate President Obama. I disagree with his politics, but I do not hate anyone. In fact, I have said -in other venues- that the President is likely the best 'dad' we have had in the WH in a long time.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 4:58 PM twindad said...

A person's ACTIONS defines him or her. So, enough with this "you should get to know them before you say anything about them" advice. Let's say I have a habit of going to bars, drinking too much and driving home late at night. Should I be criticized for that, or would you have to "get to know me" before you say anything about me?
These "patriots" (idiots) who have signed this petition are certainly within their constitutional rights of freedom of speech. That is not the basis of our criticism. The issue is that these "patriots" (idiots) are revealing the way they think and their character. We don't have to "get to know them". What they are doing sends a loud message as to what they are all about.
It is also very interesting that these same posters who are proponents of the "get-to-know-them" approach are trying to convince us that all homeschooled children are statistically smarter than their counterparts. By definition, you are generalizing -- throwing all homeschooled children into a big category. Take your own advice and "get to know them"! There are examples of very intelligent homeschooled students, and there are also homeschooled children who can't think their way out of a paperbag!
Finally, how quaint that folks think that Dr. Rob Pochek is a good pastor because he's an Obama-hater, but I can't possibly be a pastor because I voted for Obama. That "I'm OK, You're OK" Church is really growing!:)

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 4:10 PM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

@C'mon now may be right....perhaps some of the people who signed the petition did so because they were disappointed they lost the election. Maybe most did. I can only speak for myself. And, maybe it was a silly way to express displeasure at losing the election. Fair enough.
I just wish that there was a way for people to dialogue about these issues without resorting to name calling. I didn't see anything hateful in the comments made in the article - including the suggestion by Dr. Crowell that signers missed out on their Civil War hisotry or by Sen Newton that the petition is "silly." We have to be able to debate our political differences without resorting to name calling or accusing those we disagree with of "hate speech." Or, denigrating those we disagree with by questioning their education or intelligence.
For the record, I, too, am a home school graduate. (And, when the Scripps Howard Spelling Bee is conducted, see how many home school kids make the top ten!). I also attended public school and coached in a private school. All three forms of education have their benefits and drawbacks. I also received my college education (B.R.S.) and graduate / post graduate education in fully accredited private schools (M.Div., Ph.D.). But, I do NOT think my education gives me the right to denigrate those who have the same academic achievements.
As for the assertion made earlier that I am a pastor and Tea Party member. For the record, I am a registered Republican. I have no other formal political affiliations, though I have many friends who are members of the Tea Party and I am sympathetic to their 15 core values:
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.
http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/
I will say again, at the end of the day we are all Americans. We have to learn to work together and understand one another without the name calling and fear mongering. I remain a proud citizen of the great state of North Carolina and of the United States. May God bless our nation and our President.


Friday, November 30, 2012 at 3:46 PM SheSaidAgain said...

Radicals like this Killion fella is harming this country more than anything.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 3:01 PM @@to commonsense said...

I was homeschooled up to eighth grade, when I attended public high school. I was class president for three years and graduated as my high school valedictorian. I have also known my share of awkward homeschoolers, and I realize that as a teacher you have encountered some of them, but please do not classify all of us on the limited basis of the few you have known.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 2:23 PM @to commonsense said...

I'd have to say I disagree with you on homeschooling. As a teacher for 30 years, whenever we enroll a student who's been homeschooled, it is a "red flag." By this I mean that either the parents or the students have issues. Usually if the problem is the parents, it's that they mistrust public schools as dens of iniquity. If the problem is the student, it's that he/she has learning or psychological problems. Either way, the homeschooled children I add into my classes are typically several years behind the public school academically.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 1:37 PM william newman said...

whether or not we can seperate ourselves from the union, we need to make a stand as " the people" and take back our country. If our government can find loophole or bend a rule to take God out then we should be able to find a way to bend our own state constitution. No matter who is in office as president, dealing with it or living with it until next election is getting out from under government control. Stop all the free money giveaways to people who won't work, then lets see how pleased the people are with who is in office. Before anyone goes on a rampage, if i could get more out of uncle sam and make the rest of the tax payers fund my way, i would do it too. Thats the problem and it needs to stop. So, in agreement with the last line, we are all going to die one day and if we don't care what we are going to leave our children, we are pethetic as a parent.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 12:38 PM To C'mon Tea Party said...

I agree with most of your post, but whether the GOP realizes it or not, the extreme views of the Tea Party was a big reason why Obama won re-election. Romney's having to shift to the far right during the primaries hurt him later when trying to appeal to centrists and independents during the general election. Republicans, you can thank the Tea Party for that. The sooner the GOP ejects the Tea Party fringe (or at least places them back in their proper context), the faster and more likely they have a shot of winning elections and achieving relevance again, instead of being mere stumbling blocks. The GOP has a lot of work to do in convincing young and minority voters that they are more than "the party of NO."

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 12:16 PM To "C'mon, Tea Party" said...

How many Tea Party meetings, Table Talks, forums, rallies, etc. have you been to? If you have been engaged with them in all they are doing, you would know that they are "productively engaging in our nation's debate." It is clear that you aren't involved in what they all do in the community to help educate people on the issues. This petition is merely a statement. What's wrong with that? What harm is there in this? Do we not have the 1st Amendment that ensures that we all have a right to free speech and "...the right...to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The Tea Party understands that the NC Constitution will not allow secession - the national and state Constitutions are the basis of their message. Btw, this is bigger than Obama folks. America's issues are bigger than Obama.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 12:06 PM Rick Mishoe said...

Do you want to live in a country that cannot pay it's bills & defaults.Where there is runaway inflation,a loaf of bread will cost a fortune. Do you want to be governed by Michigan, California, Cleveland & Philadelphia & Chicago? Secede.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 12:01 PM C'mon now, said...

You people who signed this petition can attempt to frame it any way you want, but in reality it all boils down to sour grapes over the election. I doubt you would have affixed your names to such a petition if Romney had won, even though he would have been dealing with exactly the same partisan rancor as Obama. When the majority of the GOP is more beholden to a pledge they made to a lobbyist (Norquist) than their pledge to the Constitution, you know something is wrong with the party and our country.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 11:06 AM C'mon, Tea Party said...

As a conservative leaning independent, I have to admit that my patience with the Tea Party is growing thin. Rather than productively engaging in our nation's debate, certain elements of this movement have stooped to nonsense. I believe the Tea Party has something positive to add to this country, but stunts like this are slowly eroding its credibility with the majority of Americans.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 10:18 AM To "To Common Sense" said...

You disagree with Joel? So, does that mean you agree with big, unlimited, unconstitutional, centralized govt tyranny?

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM @if I recall correctly said...

Clearly you are a fan of the President (LOL)! It seems ridiculous to listen to your antics and criticisms of this man. What did Bush do? Uhmmm let's see increased our debt by sending thousands of troops to die for WMD that didn't exist, raised the debt on a credit card, took how many days to respond to Katrina victims??? & what did you say about my POTUS!! Get a life!

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 8:47 AM Good ole Rebel said...

Not sighning anything just storing food and ammo.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 8:13 AM @go ahead said...

Signing means nothing should your house get destroyed. How about take out insurance on your own home and be responsible? All the states who are signing it shows an "act" not a actual happening. And besides, I guess you are one who looks for the government to come to your aid at every corner.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 7:58 AM Its obvious said...

Where the majority of sound minded indviduals stand on this issue. And just remember to those who put their name on that list IF NC ever does secceed or a civil war ever does break out the government now has its list of defendants for treason to try. We all know the penalty for that. Why would you turn your name into the government on a list like this??? Unbeleiveable

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 7:47 AM Go ahead said...

Go ahead and sign it, but the next time a natural disaster destroys your house.....

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 1:33 AM @twindad said...

You are a so called Pastor...of what? Where? What religion? Fully ordained? By whom? You ever stand for anything spiritually or just like to bicker and banter and throw rocks? And we live in a republic nation not a democracy. Our forefathers were fearful of a true democracy. I'll listen to folks like Dr. Pocheck over you any day of the week. At least he puts his real name out there and he has a Phd beyond his call. You can tell a HUGE difference in his responses than yours.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 11:58 PM Obamaphobacarefungicideite said...

This is so cool. Nothing this funny has happened around here in a long time. Have you guys got your "rebel yell" down yet?
Seriously, in response to "To Commonsense", Commonsense was refering to the comment made by Michael Crowell (UNC Law Professor) who implied that the NC Public School System must not be doing their job if these people think they can succeed from the union. In fact neither Mr. Killion nor Mr. Pochek are products of the NC Public School System. The off the cuff comment made by Mr. Crowell needed to be rebuked and Commonsense did just that.
As a final note, I really hope that home schooled children are not being taught the kind of hatred that is coming from this "preacher's" mouth. I hope they are being taught how our republic really works and of the great sacrifices our fathers and forefathers made to set up and defend this wonderful democratic form of government. When words like "succession" come up, I can't help but fear they are not.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 11:56 PM if i recall correctly said...

the state of North Carolina popular and electoral votes did not go for Osama Obama this past election. both houses of the state general assembly added significantly to their republican majorities and a long line of corrupt democratic governors was replaced by a republican governor. the stae US congressional delegation also went overwhelmingly to a republican majority. i would say NC is a very red state with majority support for republican and conservative principles. i also beleive we overwhelmingly turned down same sex marriage. i think politically we are a long ways from the Obamacide doctrine. this country is as racially and politically divided as it has been in my lifetime.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 11:08 PM To "commensense" said...

Did you know that "The home-educated typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests. (The public school average is the 50th percentile; scores range from 1 to 99.)...Home-educated students typically score above average on the SAT and ACT tests that colleges consider for admissions...Homeschool students are increasingly being actively recruited by colleges" (www.nheri.org/research/research-facts-on-homeschooling.html).

I personally know Mr. Killion. He was home schooled and if you knew him, you would know that your version of "commonsense" regarding education is horribly flawed. Perhaps you should get to know someone before you open your mouth.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 10:47 PM Old Timer said...

I wonder how many folks in NC will want to pay
for all the expansion and equipment at RDU now
that they have to buy it from the Fed's ditto
Fort Bragg ,Pope AF base, Camp Lejune all
bridges, Vet's hospitals and infrastructure that were paid for by the Fed. This kind of behavior only keeps business away from relocating to NC.
What's next ?

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 10:05 PM To Common Sense said...

Hey this is for common sense. I don't think you generalizing all home school and private school kids was fair. It seemed like in your comment that you were downplaying those who have chosen to go that route. I am a product of private schooling, but this does not mean I agree with Joel.

Friday, November 30, 2012 at 9:57 PM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

I saw this article today on Yahoo and thought about all the debate over the "secession petition." http://news.yahoo.com/interactive-white-house-secession-petitions-and-presidential-power-235012490.html
And, just for clarification while I support conservative values, I do not (and will not) espouse politics in the pulpit. Instead, I save that for Facebook and other public venues when I exercise my First Amendment right to free speech.
I appreciate the "dialogue" that this article has generated and would hope that Americans (and Wilsonians) of all political persuasions can come together to provide solutions to the challenges we face - both locally and nationally.
May God bless each of you and may you have a blessed Christmas season.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 8:39 PM Commonsense said...

First of all, Joel Killion is a product of either home schooling or private education, or both, not of the public schools. So do not blame our public schools for ignorance of N.C. civics by these nutcases in the Tea Party. Secondly, if any of you are ready to leave good 'ol N.C. for greener pastures, just let the rest of us know and we will gladly commandeer any boats, wagons or transports required for your exit. You need to put on your big boy pants and grow up. YOU need to move to the center, where most Americans reside.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 8:31 PM timetraveler said...

Just give me my 40 acres and a mule.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 6:48 PM S. McAllister said...

I did not sign the petition for sucession. It's a disgrace. Second, the US is not a democracy, it is a republic.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM @I AM AMAZED said...

What I wonder is how many of those people who died in the past four years voted for Obama in 2012? I hear there are a lot of problems with people neglecting to purge those dead folks from the voter lists and that much voter fraud went on in 2008 and 2012. For those playing the race card, it is just as racist to vote FOR Obama because of the color of his skin (which is NOT black, by the way) as it it to vote AGAINST Obama because of that. Straight Democratic ticket voters is what got 33,000 votes for the Buck Newton challenger who was sitting in Nash County jail on the day of the election!

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 5:40 PM Majority said...

Of folks on both sides do not support this. It serves no purpose as the Dr. stated they won't get secession and the only reason they are doing it is for publicity. THATS ALL THIS IS!!!!

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM K-Real said...

Simply ridiculous,secession indeed? one question Wilson County,Edgecombe County,Nash County,and Pitt County were all Blue,in the past election when the rest of you Secessers leave the United States of America, do we get to then be the Great State of North Carolina? seeing how "yall" will be something else! This is a sad day in Wilson county and a sad day in America.Some Democracy we have, can't have it your way don't want it at all. Good Bye. Oh I guess your newly elected Veto Proof legislature will chang the State's Constitution.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM Really said...

My concerned is that many people feel that because President Obama is a black man that he is not able to run this country or any black american for that fact. There's so much more going on in our own community that need to be address. You have the right to vote for who ever you want to but to say this man haven't did any thing to improve the nation is so not true, better yet what did Bush do? exactly. for the health care bill yes i work in the medical field and i also feel that everyone should be entitle to insurance and unless you in that situation laid off from your job and no health care benifits i guess you really wouldn't understand.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 5:15 PM It's clear... said...

Mr. Killion, Dr. Pochek, and Senator Newton all understand and made very clear that this petition is merely a statement. What's wrong with that? What harm is there in this? Do we not have the 1st Amendment that ensures that we all have a right to free speech and "...the right...to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The Tea Party understands that the NC Constitution will not allow secession - the national and state Constitutions are the basis of their message. Apparently, there are some who think the 1st Amendment only applies to them but it doesn't. I prefer the peaceful petitioning of our govt by the Tea Party over the violent and revolutionary tactics of the Occupy Wall Street type of reactions. All we can do now is hope that the President will keep his word and consider the message and the symbol of what is being conveyed by these petitions in all 50 states that are being signed by millions of peaceful citizens.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 4:59 PM Go ahead and go! said...

I assume everyone who adopts the GOP "Don't blame me... I voted for Bush / Palin / Romney" is rejecting their federal student loans, clean water and air, roads, bridges, interstates, beaches, safe food, on and on and on?? If you don't like it, move on. Let the rest of us go to work and church and school in peace.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 2:31 PM The Next Mayor said...

Why are we concern about the federal gov. When the city and county gov cannot fix its own problem like Wilson Energy high rates, and the ability to obtained high paying jobs to the area.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 2:18 PM @ Dr Bob said...

Dr. Rob Pochek is a Pastor and a Tea Party member here in Wilson...enough said.
I hope you are not preaching Tea Party "politics" to your congregation.
I also hope that you will support the small government politics that your party preaches and recuse yourself and your church from benefitting from the deductions pastors receive and tax-exempt status that your church receives.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 2:17 PM Friend of Mr. Killions... said...

The 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence listed 27 grievances with the King of England and added that “In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury.”

To the North Carolinians who signed this petition, it was merely another civil petition for redress directed at Washington (This really isn’t about our President. In truth, America’s problems are much bigger than one man or even one party. America was in decline way before Obama came on the scene.). It doesn’t harm anyone to make a public statement that we all just want to be free and to be left alone; neither Joel nor Pastor Rob Pochek have insulted anyone. It’s unfortunate that some have resorted to leveling personal attacks against them simply because they voiced a passionate desire for independence that many on both sides of the aisle share. The good thing is that everyone of us, along with our predecessors, have enjoyed the blessings of independence that were fought for and provided over 200 years ago; I am sure we are all glad that our Founders handed down liberty to us and yet it is somehow embarrassing to some that we have chosen to maintain what we all received.

To “Excuse Me?”, I see no conflict in Joel receiving Pell Grants to continue his education at Wilson Community College since he has given a great deal in taxes for over 17 years. Truly, he is only getting back what he and his family invested into the system. Also, like many, he is a taxpaying citizen who will continue to invest in our community and will continue to add skills to his resume that will allow him to be of greater service to our community. So, you see, this is a win-win for everyone.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 2:11 PM @ The good Dr. said...

Could it be people vote for Obama because conservatives have drifted to far to the right??? And just plain ignorance on the rape issue how many candidates from the republicans lost elections over stupid remarks made on that topic? all of em that made any.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM humorous said...

Not sure how the petition is any different than all the anti Bush supporters that posted "We're sorry" photos on the internet after Bush was reelected. That was just as dumb as the petition. It's just people venting their frustrations. Leave it at that and move one.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM SomeStatistics said...

The people who voted for Barack Obama don't really have a reason to petition for secession, because their choice for President was elected.

The 30,500 secessionist petitioners from NC have account for 1.3% of the petitioners that voted for Romney (2,265,744) in NC. This statistic shows that Romney supporters can only get a tiny fraction of NC residents who opposed President Obama to sign this petition.
When you take all NC voters into account, the secessionist petitioners only represent .7% of all voters.
This "movement" seems to be a minor distraction from tiny fringe of disgruntled voters.


Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM @ twindad said...

Spoken like a true man of the cloth. I have never seen a so called pastor make remarks about people they do not know. What is the name of your church again?? Please!!!

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 12:48 PM I AM AMAZED said...

I am constantly amazed at how stupid some people can be. Dr. Rob Pochek - whether President Obama lost 7 million votes in this election doesn't say a darned thing. Have you considered how many people have died within the past four years, how many people decided not to vote, etc. You need to GET OVER IT as well as those other idiots out here that want to secede from the Union. I say if you don't like North Carolina then get the heck out of Dodge. Out of all those Presidents that haven't done anything for this country but put us in the condition that we are in - ALL the blame is being put on the Black Man. Now you say that President Obama should come to the center. I am tired of everybody saying what the President should be doing. If you don't like it - run for President yourself. Everything is not as cut and dry as people think. All of you idiots need to go back and READ your NORTH CAROLINA HISTORY BOOKS and also the NORTH CAROLINA CONSTITUTION. And they want to take Civics out of the school system.
What a crock!!!

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 12:19 PM WoW!! said...

There is one born everyday!! Pls. get over and get on...If you don't want to be here, don't try to be a voice for everyone in NC. I voted in 2008, 2012 and my 18yr old got a piece of that sliced pie to vote for My POTUS!!! Those that want to leave..bye bye and leave everything that doesn't belong to you here and start over...No loans,credit, etc..just take your money off your debit card...leave that too, b/c where you are going you gotta have something to get started so build a bank and put your money in there...Case solved... but for those that love the President and believe in him, don't act as though you are speaking for ALL the PPL in NC b/c you are not!!

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 11:45 AM @Excuse Me? said...

Good work exposing the typical hypocrisy of this ilk, who greedily lap up federal funds when it affects them then harp and whinge when it goes to others.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 11:42 AM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

Thanks to Corey for writing a solid article. And, all the name calling aside, the White House petition for secession is NOT an actual, legal attempt to secede. Instead of calling names, please read the article. The White House said it would review all WH petitions garnering at least 25,000 signatures. The petition effort, as was explained in the article, is an effort to get President Obama to govern from the center, rather than the far left. President Clinton was smart enough to realize that he had to move to the center after the 1994 and 1996 elections. The petition is an effort to remind President Obama that - despite claims of receiving a mandate - he actually lost nearly 7 million votes between 2008 and 2012 elections. The votes Pres Obama received in each election are below:
2008: 69,498,516
2012: 62,611,250
Because politicians typically ignore margins of victory, the petition is an effort to remind the President that he is leading a divided nation. And that his policies cost him nearly 7 million votes in four years. It is a reminder to him that, if he wants to leave a legacy, he must move to the center in his policy making.
I realize many consider the petition silly, unnecessary, etc. I respect your right to that opinion. And, if you could demonstrate to me a way to make sure my voice was heard / read in the White House, I would take that avenue.
In the meantime, I commit to pray for our President and our nation.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 11:14 AM Dr. Rob Pochek said...

I appreciate Corey's article and I was happy to participate. And, aAll the name calling in these comments aside, the point I attempted to make was that the petition is an effort to get the President to move toward the center in policy-making, the same way Bill Clinton did in 1996. Based on this year's election, the President lost nearly 7 million voters. Below are vote totals from 08 and 12:
2008: 69,498,516
2012: 62,611,250
There is no "crying" or pouting - at least not from me. Rather, there is an attempt to engage our nation's leader by reminding him that, when you LOSE SEVEN MILLION VOTES you do not have a mandate. Instead, you have a divided nation that must be lead from someone moving toward the center.
For those who think the petition is silly, etc - you are entitled to your opinion. And, If you could show me a better way to ensure that my opinion was actually heard / read in the White House, I will be happy to take that course of action.
I want the nation to prosper and our leader's to experience God's wisdom in governing.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 10:59 AM Commonsense said...

These people are nutbirds. If they are so unhappy here and so hellbent on secession, why don't they just move to Texas, there are plenty of other right wing crazies there for them to whine with. And maybe there will be enough of them there to actually secede from the U.S. Oh wait! Wasn,t that tried before? And how did that one come out? As Sam Houston said of South Carolina in 1860, "it,s too small to be a republic and too large to be an insane asylum." People like Mr. Killion and his Tea Party cronies need an asylum, and maybe Texas would be the right place for them. You lost the election, so get over it and live with it! The only one in your crowd that makes any sense is Buck Newton, who called your nutbird plan "silly." Its beyond silly, it,s NUTS.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 10:51 AM twindad said...

Democracy is a curious thing. It is wonderful that each and every one of us living in this wonderful country has the right to express ourselves. On the other hand, it is disheartening
sometimes that people have the right to express themselves.
This article is an example of the latter. What is especially annoying is when folks don't have the guts, the backbone to be honest about what they're doing. This petition is simply a statement on the part of these "patriots" (or is it idiots?) that attempts to say, "I didn't vote for Barack Obama. He is not my president."
Everybody knows that, so instead of shrouding your position with all kinds of "symbolic gestures"...just say how you really feel!!! I would at least have something for you called RESPECT.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 9:57 AM Pure deluded idiocy said...

“They are losing touch with us. The first three words of the Constitution — ‘We, the people’ — are the key to the whole document. Of course, the government thinks it’s ‘We, the government.'" I guess Mr. Killion fails to realize that our government is an extension of the people through open, democratic elections every few years. Seriously, some of these people might be better off renouncing their American citizenship and finding a new place to live if they're so dissatisfied with the country today. Meanwhile, the Tea Party should be ecstatic about the prospect of the 'fiscal cliff' since it would encompass much of what they desired in the first place--true austerity measures and tax increases for all. Whether that plunges the country back into recession or not doesn't matter to them. All that matters is that everybody feels the pain of America's circumstances (felt more keenly by some than others).

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 9:18 AM Excuse Me? said...

Mr. Killion, just where do you think the Pell Grant money came from to allow you to enter the college transfer program at Wilson Community College? I enjoyed the Wilson Community College Foundation video on their website where you were featured and spoke of the FEDERAL Pell Grant and local Foundation Scholarship you received to allow you to return to school and further your education after a job loss. hhtp://www.wilsoncc.edu/foundation.cfm
As a taxpayer, I am glad you are taking this opportunity to build a career but I do find it ironic that you criticize your Federal Government that has provided this opportunity.


Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 8:41 AM Your the Man said...

Go get em Joel. Proud of you.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 7:50 AM What?? said...

The whole thing is a joke. Everyone needs to really grow up. Where was the petitions when Bush was in office, when Bush was re-elected??? Why aren't North Carolinians petition or boycotting these businesses that send there jobs overseas for less wages?? At the end of the day, he is President of the United States of America. If you don't like him, his views, or the equality that America represents...then LEAVE!!!

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 7:42 AM silly said...

These people have lost their minds.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 7:35 AM Social Studies Teacher said...

Really??? Education people! Get over it! The President won the election and its not the public schools that are the issue, it's those that are supposed to be getting the info.....the students! Stop being divisive and try supporting the most disrespected President in history!

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 6:21 AM Uneducated said...

This will do nothing to benifit our state! Its embarrasing that people are even putting their names to this. Its nothing more than resentment that Obama was re-elected. I voted for Romney too. Oh well he lost im over it. Its time to focus on the issues at hand not create another one.

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 6:12 AM Northerner said...

Yes, North Carolina should secede. Just think how much money the federal government could save without having to pay for federally funded North Carolina programs. Go for it, Carolina! Save the rest of us a pretty penny. North Carolina folks don't have the greatest reputation with Northern folks after the passage of that stupid Amendment One last May. I'd love to live in a land with fewer anti-gay folks. So, please, please, please...secede from the Union and go your merry way.

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