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Tea Party to address council on gun ban

Members of the Wilson Tea Party plan to tell the Wilson City Council Thursday the recent vote to ban concealed handguns from public property infringes on their Second Amendment rights.

Fifty members of the local Tea Party said they planned to attend the council meeting Thursday in City Hall, said Bobby Aycock, a member of the party. Aycock is uncertain if all will attend but several plan to voice their opposition during the public comment period.

"It’s not just the Tea Party that’s concerned about it,” said Bobby Pittman, party organizer. "There are a lot of citizens who are concerned about it. We’re getting a lot of feedback. Our hope is to bring it to the public’s attention that just because they voted for it and there was no dissension, that’s not the case.”

Pittman said there is concern that the majority of the council is not supportive of their Constitutional right to bear arms and defend themselves. Pittman also said that people who have concealed carry permits are responsible, law-abiding citizens.

"It’s our Second Amendment right to defend ourselves in this area,” Pittman said. "A gun-free zone is a sure-kill zone.”

Of greater concern is the possibility that local, as well as state and federal, government could eventually strip Americans of their personal rights, he added.

"Who’s to say that limitations can be placed on us?” Pittman said. "There’s more people with concealed carry (permits) today than ever before and it’s because of our lack of faith in government. I don’t want any of my Constitutional rights infringed on. This is very serious to me.”

They only plan to talk and don’t plan signs or anything else Thursday night, they said.

The Wilson City Council voted 5-2 in February in favor of the ordinance that bans concealed handguns from any local government building and any municipal recreational facility, including an athletic field and its restrooms during an organized athletic event. Concealed handguns are also prohibited at swimming pools and associated facilities, and facilities used for athletic events, including but not limited to a gymnasium.

Concealed guns may be stored in a locked vehicle trunk or glove box at a recreational facility. The law does not apply to greenways, designated biking or walking paths or other open areas, including parks where athletic events are not occurring, said Harry Tyson, deputy city manager of operations and public services.

Concealed handguns are allowed at some city parks but not others. Concealed handguns are not allowed when athletic events are occurring at such places as the Burt Gillette Athletic Complex, Cavalier Park or Lane Street Park.

Concealed handguns are allowed at some of the city’s larger open parks and areas, including Lake Wilson and the Buckhorn reservoir, and smaller parks including Belle Meade, Carolina Street Park and Five Points Park because there are no organized athletic events.

After the council’s vote, Tyson said some residents were under the impression that the council established new rules when, instead, the council updated city rules and expanded areas where concealed weapons can be carried.

The city’s 1969 ordinance has prohibited guns, concealed or open, on public property, including city-owned buildings and properties such as parks and other outdoor recreational areas. In 1995, the city ordinance was updated to include concealed weapons, which remained prohibited in the same locations.

The council’s recent vote was an effort to update city laws in accordance with state law, which addressed weapons laws in 2013 and increased areas where handguns are allowed, including restaurants and bars, public parks, nature trails and school parking laws.

Voting in favor of the city ordinance were Councilwoman Gwen Burton and Councilmen A.P. Coleman, Tom Fyle, Derrick Creech and James Johnson III. Voting against the ordinance were Councilman Donald Evans and Councilman Logan Liles.

Aycock said he and other Tea Party members are concerned about Fyle’s vote because they believed he would support the Second Amendment as a Republican. The council operates as a nonpartisan board.

Fyle said he supports the Second Amendment.

"I’m not going to comment on anything until I hear what they have to say,” Fyle said. "I am going to be prepared to give them some background information. There’s really nothing to say until Thursday night.”

Tea Party members are also attending the council meeting to let council members know they are watching the decisions they make, Aycock said. The Wilson Tea Party and its members have not spoken against the ordinance that was discussed by the council in November and February. Aycock said that the group did not believe that the ordinance would fail. In November, two of the seven members of council, Evans and former Councilman Bill Blackman, spoke against the concealed carry rules.

"At some point someone has to draw the line in the sand,” Aycock said. "Our main objective is to let the members of city council know we’re watching. We just wanted to show them that we are watching and voting time will come again.”

The council meets at 7 p.m. in City Hall, at 112 Goldsboro St. in downtown Wilson. Anyone interested in speaking during the public comment period must sign up with the city clerk before the meeting starts.

Paul Valone, president of Grass Roots North Carolina and executive director of Rights Watch International, was one of the principal architects of recently passed state laws regarding concealed handguns. He’s also reviewed the city’s ordinance.

Valone has said state law dramatically expanded areas where permit-holders can carry weapons and the city’s ordinance provides more areas where permit-holders are able to carry concealed guns.

"The new law and complying ordinance actually expands the areas in which concealed handgun permit-holders can protect themselves,” Valone said. | 265-7818
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@Wildtorn said...

They were not planes, they were probably butterflies, and I bet you see them all the time. I hope you have bars and walls around your property so you can't get out and hurt yourself or someone else.

Wednesday, March 26, 2014 at 9:50 PM
Wildtorn said...

I dont know about you people but i dont want Russia and China to take over. Oviusly they will invade if Obama takes away our guns. My famaly and me have dug in on the high ground on my property. We will hold them off as long as we can. Some jets just flew over outsdie but I coulnt tell if they were Rusion or Chineese. Does any boby know how to tell?

Tuesday, March 25, 2014 at 8:50 PM
@ to @ no gun said...

If we were to do what you propose how long do you think it would take Russia or China to take us over?
England took the guns. Go look at the stabbing rates in their country. Police have to wear special vests to keep from being stabbed when taking a person into custody.
Guns are just instruments people are the problem.
People using guns are the killers not the guns. We do not arrest the gun that is stupid we arrest the person using it. I can place a gun on a table beside a bomb and as long as no one uses or touches ether they will be there a 1000yrs from now just like I left them. SO BANNING GUNS IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Tuesday, March 25, 2014 at 1:30 PM
to @ no gun said...

Again, your analogy doesn't work: "No cars = no drunk driving deaths." Cars aren't created to kill. Death by car is a byproduct of their use, just as is arriving safely at your destination. Guns, however, are created to kill. It's their sole purpose of existence, and thus, the reason they should be eliminated. And yes, it's naive to believe it can happen easily, but no, it's not impossible. There are countries in the world who have no guns... are you saying they're smarter or better than we?

Tuesday, March 25, 2014 at 9:08 AM
Wild Eyed Gun Slingers with Nothing to Lose said...

Anyone who thinks they need to carry a gun to go out in public is nuts. Would be different if this were Dodge City, but it's not.

Tuesday, March 25, 2014 at 9:55 PM
@no gun said...

You have millions of guns in the USA so your math equation will never work now nor in the next 100 years, as pointed out before. I wish we had zero guns, I really do. But now in 2014 even if we passed a law that all guns are illegal, you really think EVERYONE would turn in their guns? Either you are just making statements to get a reply or you are really naive. Go speak with a law enforcement officer or ride with them sometime; we are amid some very bad people. It is not the "touchy feely" world that appears where you live. No cars=no drunk driving deaths. Let me know how that works out also.

Monday, March 24, 2014 at 3:09 PM No Gun said...

No gun = no death by gun. As posted before, it's math. It may be 'pie in the sky' but we will not, as suggested, 'move on.' Change can happen and change will happen someday.

Monday, March 24, 2014 at 12:36 PM @keep calling said...

Hilarious logic. You feel threatened by a gun you see and you call 911. And how long did it take for law enforcement to show up? Did they show up while you were there?? Did they show up at all??? That’s my point exactly people. If that person meant harm to anyone it would have been over long before calling 911, let alone law enforcement arriving after calling. Think about it…your plan is to sit there helpless while your family or someone else could have been shot. I don’t and will never follow your advice and trust me there are many more guns you don’t see everywhere you go. Not sure how many times someone must point to the “surprise” attacks of most gun murders and the fact law enforcement arrives when it is all over; no matter what law is on the books. Law enforcement in the US carries guns for a reason.

Monday, March 24, 2014 at 9:06 AM @student of history said...

2nd Amendment. That short enough for ya?

Monday, March 24, 2014 at 8:49 AM wishing said...

You folks are just "wishing". You might as well play the lottery with your life. We all know if no one had guns we would have no gun violence. But you can't magically round up the guns. No way, no how so move on past that notion. It will never happen. And I'm sorry, but no "good person" killed a bunch of people; those are bad people in my book. I'm not a Tea Party person and I'm not a NRA member. Never have been and probably never will be. But I am a CCP holder along with my wife and have taken 4 courses on firearm usage and safety from a pretty well-known law enforcement veteran who taught at the police academy. I don't condone wearing a gun on the hip but you are sticking your head in the sand if you don't think there are many concealed weapons in every store you walk in. Maybe not seeing it makes you feel better? This is 2014...bad guys HAVE guns no matter what law you pass, bad people HAVE killed innocent people, bad guys HAVE showed up when you least expect it and on and on and on. CCP holders have not committed ANY gun shootings in NC. Who follows laws? That's right, law following people. Is that so hard to understand?? I’m okay if you don’t want guns around and I wish we had ZERO guns as well but it WILL NOT HAPPEN. There is a ban on murder but it happens every day of the year and I think you are playing a dangerous game with the safety of your family. I challenge EVERYONE to call our Police Department and ask for a Citizen Ride Along if they still do those. It will open your eyes to just what kind of people are around you every day and I think more of my family than to let a crazy person put our safety in jeopardy.

Monday, March 24, 2014 at 8:47 AM @@ keep calling said...

I will keep calling. I don't care if open carry of firearms is legal. I have the right to protect my family too and I did not know this man's intentions of going into the grocery store with the huge pistol. Was he scared of the prices? I would have asked him what he was afraid of in the grocery store but you know how trigger happy these gun nuts are. He probably would have opened fire on me and said he was "standing his ground". How pathetic to feel the need to wear a pistol to go pick up a loaf of bread. He was wearing it to intimidate just as the guy at Aggie's was holding a huge pistol on his lap. People left Aggie's because of this guy. I have not been back there to eat since. Just don't want to eat while looking at firearms. Not afraid of my shadow.

Monday, March 24, 2014 at 9:43 PM Student of History said...

To be honest; I've read all this stuff and other than wanting to carry a gun in your pocket I don't see why anyone NEEDS a gun in their pocket at city council meeting, a county commission meeting, or a little league game.
Can anyone explain the need v. want is a few sentences. I am tired of these page long rambling diatribes.

Sunday, March 23, 2014 at 3:46 PM @ keep calling said...

Open carry (not concealed) of firearms is legal in North Carolina.

Saturday, March 22, 2014 at 5:50 PM jmo said...

If you ban guns, then metal detectors will always have to be used. Law has to be enforced that way. Don't think that a law will scare away criminals and crazies.

Saturday, March 22, 2014 at 9:42 AM Murica said...

God, guns, and apple pie forever!

Saturday, March 22, 2014 at 3:09 AM Just sayin' said...

Every entrance to every building should have metal detectors. Anyone with guns should not be allowed entrance. Only trained professionals need access to firearms. Too many people I know have taken classes and gotten permits to carry, but I know that under duress they would not use their guns safely. If it's a second amendment right, then we need to change the second amendment. Criminals don't have any respect for rules or laws anyway. Metal detectors would protect all innocent folks from both criminals and pistol-packing nut cases.

Saturday, March 22, 2014 at 11:41 PM You are the problem said...

Tea Party = embarrassing. What has them so scared? I know that bad things happen sometimes but we live in the greatest country in the world. I don't know anyone personally that has been attacked or needs to carry a gun to protect themselves. I love our country. I even loved it when George W was president. I did not agree with much of what he did but I still loved and respected my country. What is making us look weak? People like Sarah Palin and the Tea Party. If you visited other countries, you would appreciate what we have here.

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 5:20 PM Keep calling said...

I called the police on a man that I saw going into Foodlion with a huge piston on his hip. My family was in that store and I was sitting in the car. I will continue to call 911 when I see such cases as I don't know who is crazy and who just acts crazy.

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 1:31 PM No need for it! said...

Perhaps these guys should look at the most recent cases where a gun toting cowboy will spend a great deal of time in jail for using a handgun in a situation where it was not needed. WHERE IT WAS NOT NEEDED!
1) movie theater guy that shot and killed a man for throwing popcorn at him
2) guy that shot at the suv due to loud music and killed a teen
3) Travonn Martin also killed during a scuffle.
I bet each of these men wish that they were not packing that day.

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 1:30 PM @the person. said...

You are quite mistaken. Children are in danger from guns period. Never mistake thus far for never. No matter how you try to parse it, mistakes and miscalculations happen to very good people. Ask Adam Lanza's surviving parent. Guns are inherently dangerous. If the same people packed tomatoes everyone would walk away, laughing.

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 10:21 AM to "The Person" said...

While I respect your opinion, the "chicken or the egg" question is redundant. The NRA has used it for years, and it's tired. We're better than this. If a 'person' doesn't have possession of a gun, the conversation would be different. Guns are too easy to use, too accessible, too deadly. In the mass killing scenarios you mentioned, there were "good" people there with guns, within seconds of the violence. Yet death still occurred because... well... guns. Someone chose to use a gun against someone else. If a crazy person, for lack of a better term, has access to a spoon, then he or she can kill with the spoon. But the victim has a better chance for a positive outcome in that scenario, right? So don't produce guns and the conversation is different.
You mentioned planes on 9/11. What a ridiculous argument to begin with, but even more crazy is that you've proven my point: access to planes is significantly different since 9/11, isn't it? My kid can't go talk to the cockpit and talk with the pilots anymore to get his little plastic wing pin, right? We've removed access to the plane, because we're reasonable people in a civilized world. We didn't all start carrying anti-aircraft weaponry to defend ourselves against rogue pilots!
TAKE THE WEAPONS AWAY and the conversation changes. Access to guns = death, because that's what guns are for. We're AMAZED when someone dies from a gunshot? Why? It's what the tool is for. Hammers are used to build houses. Spatulas for cooking, pens for writing. Guns, too, are just tools, used for a purpose. That purpose is death.
We need MORE gun-free zones, not fewer. We need more opportunities to talk about non-violent conflict resolution, not rallies about our freedom to carry a weapon. Yes, you're free to carry a gun... but wouldn't it be better if we spent more time, energy, money and resources on being non-violent in the first place? Just because it's "foolish" or "pie in the sky" doesn't make it any less valid.
Oh, and we're not afraid of guns... we're just aware of their one purpose- death. I've hunted and been to the range many times. I've been trained in gun safety. I've also been trained in CPR. Training and fear are too different things , and that training has made it even more clear to me that I don't want the responsibility of owning or carrying a weapon.
It's too much for an individual to be able to choose life or death, so let's do what we can do remove guns from the conversation. Gun amnesty, firearm swaps, buy-backs, and the stopping of production and manufacturing would be a great place to start. How many people, "good" or "bad," need to die before we lose our privilege?

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 10:19 AM people packing said...

Everyone who carries a gun sees everything as a threat. After all, that's why they carry a gun. And who wants to carry something you never use anyway. Father Phil Byrum of St Mark's Episcopal Church had two YOUNG men come into the community hall late one night with a gun. He was calm, gave them what they wanted and they went away. If someone were there with a concealed firearm turning it into a Wild West farce, the probability for blood and mayhem would have gone up exponentially. Can anyone say Les Miserables?

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 10:11 AM the person said...

It is the person not the gun. It has been said so many times I think people miss the point. A responsible gun owner can take a gun anywhere at any time within the laws of CCP without any problems. There has NEVER in recent history been a gun crime in Wilson County with a concealed weapon permit owner. Your child at Little League is not in jeopardy due to a registered CCP holder. But they are in jeopardy from bad/mentally unstable people just like in the movie theater in Colorado, or school campuses where there were mass killings. Did people expect to have someone come in and kill their child, their wife, their parents, you?? Nope. Did anyone in the military expect their own comrade to turn on them and shoot them? Nope. Many people are fearful of guns and naturally think about illegal or untrained gun owners and I 100% agree I'm afraid of those people with guns too! What we should do is focus on the person with the gun; there is your problem and the root case that we should correct. As I’ve said before, bad guys and mentally unstable people don't care what laws you pass. Many even kill themselves so they certainly don’t care about you and your children. Biggest tragedy we have ever seen was 9/11 and that with an airplane, but we didn't outlaw airplanes. Think some people are just scared of guns, don't know much about it so they quickly fall on the side it is "bad", case closed. It is not that simple and we are missing the point by just passing laws. I think that just makes some people “feel” better but I’m here to tell you it is a false sense of security.

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 9:25 AM When was the last time you were threatened? said...

It's the prepared part that is an illusion buddy. The only thing anyone who carries a gun should be prepared for is blood, pain and death. And ditto for cops who know that too well. We are all human and make mistakes. And mistakes with guns are deadly. And there are other issues. Suicidal adolescents with access to guns have a much higher fatality rate. And anyone calling it a liberal vs conservative issue is as usual missing the point.

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 8:46 AM to @@wellsaid from the original poster said...

Yep. That's all I "got." You don't have to kick down my door because for over 15 years of living in Wilson the door to my home has never been locked. Nor do I have a weapon of any kind in my home, because I care about MY family more than to have something as dangerous as a gun in my home. I choose not to live in fear or paranoia.
Further, I'm not trying to "force my perfect world scenario" on anyone. Rather, it is a perfect world, created so by the one who said "It is good," and violence of any kind is indeed FORCED on us. We who choose to live peacefully, productively working and raising our families, are threatened by anyone with a gun, because they have the ability to "choose" if I live or die. If the gun wasn't present, regardless of who has it, my odds of living through the day are significantly higher.
Peace came first, violence and guns came second. Again... fact. I'm happy to debate the theology and moral stance of non-violence with you any day, but for the purposes of this discussion let me be clear: guns produce nothing but misery. They are a tool for evil, regardless of who holds them. They are a vehicle for death. Ask anyone who has accidentally shot someone to death, or even someone who stopped an intruder in their home. They are morally damaged forever. Guns are created for one purpose, and while they may be a temporary deterrent to violence or crime, they are not the answer for a civilized society. They have their place- on the hip of trained law enforcement. Since you brought it up, I too have a multitude of police and sheriff friends, who are the first to say that the more guns there are in a situation, no matter who holds them, the worse the potential outcome. When they roll onto a scene, often too much time is spent determining who is the "good guy with a gun" and who is the "bad guy with a gun."
My home is a "gun free zone" because as far as I'm concerned it's a bigger risk for ME to bring a weapon into it than it is to hedge my bets against a violent intruder entering it. Case after case, incident after incident, more gun violence in America is caused by the weapon's OWNER than by an armed intruder. It's a personal and MORAL decision, just like your decision to carry a weapon, and while I appreciate the "rights" of those who choose otherwise, I think it's time we had a serious discussion in this country about the "rights" of those who choose not to be shot, regardless of the shooter's "law-abiding" stance. In other words, you keep your gun to yourself, and I'll work hard to keep breathing peacefully.

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 8:45 AM Amazed said...

Liberalism is a mental disorder!
I am shocked to read how many anti constitution lefties are in the Wilson area. Thank you to the Tea Party for standing up to an over reaching Wilson.

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 7:41 AM @the nervous around cops said...

Are you nervous when the cops come to help you? Do you have a fire ext. in your home, insurance on your house and car? Do you lock your doors at night or on your car when you go to Walmart etc? Why do you do all these things? To protect your family.You have these things "just in case you need them" but you don't expect your house to burn everyday do you? If it does you are covered because you were prepared.Carrying a gun in a park does not mean I am looking for trouble but it means I am prepared to defend my family if trouble finds me. I served many years in the military and pray I never have to take another life, BUT if a thug threatens me with a knife and asks " are you willing to die for your family......I'd tell him yes but I'll kill for them also"

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 6:35 AM SoxFan said...

What is it with you people and guns? Is this some kind of metaphor for (you know) Like "Happiness is a Warm Gun" I mean really, I don't see any girls cheering for guns on here. It's only guys.

Friday, March 21, 2014 at 11:29 PM Elmer said...

They aint no right nor wrong in this here arguement. Theys times havin a gun on your person is good and theres times it aint. About the little legue baseball games my grandchilden plays and i dont wont nobody bringin no gun to a game. I seen how some o f them daddys gets and it aint good ifn some of em got guns on em. Now me personly i got some huntin guns but not for takaing to no Wallmark nor no place like that. Ifn I was ascarred to to there without no gun than i wouldnot go period. Thats all.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 8:18 PM Why? said...

Why isn't this City Council session being televised live? What an entertaining site that would be. I love Comedy Central, but the Tea Party zealots at City Council is about as good as it gets. Those people are nuts! And I do mean NUTS. They are anti-government and anti-everything. I can't wait for the tape to be played on this one. Keep up the good work, Tea Partiers, you are better than Jay Leno or any of the professional comedians.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 7:54 PM @Out of here said...

I don't own anything worth a person's life (double given the likelihood of that person being an adult under age 25). Yes rape is an act of violent assault but honestly if a gun were discharged anywhere near me, I'd have a heart attack anyway. I get nervous sitting next to armed cops in restaurants. You people are way to cavalier about your ability to control chaos. No to CCP in parks etc.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 7:49 PM @ Just so you know said...

They are not Tea Parties Rights.
Whether you are speaking of their views or their right to voice their views, the rights belong to us all.
Embrace the right to have the rights, not necessarily the opinion.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 6:59 PM JUST SO YOU KNOW said...

Althought I don't think there is a need for guns at recreational events their is a need for gun rights.To many tempers at athletic events and a gun in
someones hand with a short fuse not good.However,years ago my father was approached by a man brandishing a gun threating to rob him at
a local store.The difference was my dad was able to get his pistol out and in the mans face before the man knew what happened.Man ran off and my mom and dad were safe without a shot fired.If my dad didn't have his gun who knows what could have happened.Also If the McNeal fellow hadn't had a gun on him where would he be now with a man running at him with a knife.NAACP backed him having a gun why can't you nay sayers support Tea Parties rights.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 3:10 PM @@@w ?Wild West? and Ed said...

Whee! After typing in that name I'm too tired to remember what I wanted to say. Blazin' Saddles was a good movie. The Wild Wild West was an OK TV show. Both had lots of guns in them.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 1:59 PM @@to "@ well said..." said...

That is all you got? The following… "Here is a fact. If you don't have a gun in your hand, you can't shoot me dead. " Big problem with that pie in the sky “hope” can't do away with all guns so your point cannot and will never be valid. You are trying to force the perfect world scenario onto a non perfect world. If we never had cars we’d never have car fatalities either. Now back to reality…the answer to my question...NO concealed weapon owner was involved in a shooting crime in Wilson County. Not even ONE to make any of your statistics come true. You are trying to wag the dog with the tail and last time I checked, “hope” was not a strategy. Now that you have real facts, what are you going to propose? When I got my permit, every Sheriff Deputy there told me how great it was to see people like me doing the right thing, getting documented, learning about gun safety and protecting my family. You see, they see the real reality unlike you…they deal with bad people every day with no ethics or morals who could care less about your family. When someone kicks your door down at 3am, I just hope you do more than “hope” the bad guy doesn’t have a gun no matter how he got it. I think more of my family than that.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM To "@well said 'citizen' said...

Yes. Here is a fact. If you don't have a gun in your hand, you can't shoot me dead.
My original point is completely valid. I have the right not to be shot, regardless of who is holding the weapon of choice. Therefore, I won't carry so I don't make the mistake of shooting someone, and I'd ask you not to carry so there's one less gun on the streets by which I could be shot. I'll not shoot you, if you don't shoot me. Deal?
Yes, all mass shooters "broke the gun laws"... that's my point. My idea is not to pass more laws- it's exactly the opposite. Don't have conceal carry at all. Don't have GUNS at all. Less guns in circulation = less death. It isn't legislative, it's manufacturing, selling and buying. It's not a 'liberal' fantasy, it's math. It's life, and the pursuit of happiness, if that matters to you more than your "RIGHT" to carry a weapon that can kill someone if you choose to use it.
Your point about 'criminals don't follow laws' goes exactly to my point. All the finger-printing and 'documenting' you site doesn't matter a bit if a legal carrier chooses to shoot someone. If you're legally documented and able to carry a weapon, and you choose to shoot someone, regardless of circumstance, the person is dead, regardless of laws or 'protections' on the books. With a knife, the odds of death decrease; baseball bat, decrease; nail file... you get my point.
If you don't make a gun for a criminal to buy, or steal from a 'permitted' owner (home break ins, family or friends is where most 'law breakers' get their weapons), he won't use a gun to stick up a store. No gun to buy or steal = no gun violence. It's a simple principle.
Finally, your question, "how many CWP holders committed a shooting crime....?" You answered your own question: "It only takes ONE."
I'll make a deal with you: Don't carry, and neither of us will die from that weapon. And if you don't carry, and she doesn't carry, and they don't carry, and so on, and so on, and so on.... then none of us dies from a gun shot. I believe the scriptures say, "As for me and my house..."? Maybe that same principle should apply to manufacturing, buying, loading, carrying, and discharging weapons that can kill someone?
Some day we're going to have to own up to the fact that we're losing our privilege to be 'weaponized,' and leave the gun carrying to the professionals. "But then only criminals have guns?" Not if we don't make them to have.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 12:20 PM @well said "citizen" said...

Care to introduce facts to back up your math? Criminals are not "law abiding" people and it only takes ONE gun. All the mass shooters broke the gun laws on the books and broke another big one: murder. So your idea is to pass more laws? Brilliant. Unless we magically round up the millions of guns already out there, people like you are chasing their tail. Your freedom not be killed is protected by many many laws, murder being a big one. Guess what though..criminal don't follow laws hence why we have prisons and a court room full of criminals. A concealed weapon person is one well documented with FBI/SBI, finger printed, background checks on file, and completed a required course on guns. Are you documented that well?? Doubt it. You are worrying about the wrong people my friend. How many concealed weapon permit holders committed a shooting crime with a gun last year in Wilson County? How many crimes with guns happened in Wilson County last year? I think that will clear things up for you.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM RY said...

Go online and do a search for "accidental shootings" to see where "gun rights" have gotten us.
Mass shooting by the way, are not carried out by "thugs," but by white men who are licensed to carry.
Don't back down Wilson - the Tea Party does not speak for most of us. I don't need any drunk rednecks carrying loaded weapons at my kids' sports games.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM Out of here said...

Wilson is a dump of thugs etc. I won't go anywhere in this cesspool without carrying. It's called concealed for a reason. I can't wait to move out of this dump....I was born here but look what it has become. You liberals that are against CHP in parks would be happy if someone with a permit stopped a thug from robbing you or raping your daughter, OR would you tell me to put that gun away you called 911 so they can come and do the paperwork and cleanup.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 9:50 AM Well Said "Citizen" said...

It's a shame the folks who write so vociferously in this section are all off chasing other windmills and likely won't get to see your post. I think we've lost our privilege to possesses handguns outside the home. Every mass shooter on recent record was a 'law-abiding' gun owner... until he or she chose to not be 'law-abiding' anymore. There is little a free society can do to stem this sort of 'choice,' but surely adding more guns to the mix isn't the answer. More guns = more injury or death. It's basic math. If they have freedom to carry, where is my freedom to not be killed by their poor decisions?

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 9:00 AM not about guns said...

I think the Tea Party went to extreme and lost a good message. I agree with many of the values but they lost their way in their message. I say it is not about guns but about rights guaranteed by the US Constitution. Too many people pick and choose depending on what is being discussed. Let equal rights come up on the agenda and WHOA the whole nation comes out. But as far as "rights" go, it is all equal whether you like it or not. I also get tired of some saying "it was never meant...blah blah blah". Well I can assure you equal rights was never meant to be what it is today either. Just be careful with your selective picking of what you think is right on the 2nd amendment.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 8:23 AM James Davis said...

I see all you left wingers running down Tea Party folks and all the killings they have been involved in. Oh, wait, it is mostly lefties that do the shootings.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 8:07 AM @ Citizen said...

Good points.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 6:51 AM said...

I applaud the council for passing this ordinance. Thank you for thinking of the citizens of the City of Wilson and anyone else who may come to Wilson. The Wilson NC Tea Party has some real social and psychological problems and personally, it is scary to think that these gun totting people live in our community. They have really poor self images. If they did not have such poor self image they would not feel the urge to tote their guns around town, threatening and intimidating others with their gun on their hip. I doubt that 50 people will even show up. Their leader, Joel Killion, will and a few more. They don't even have 50 people show up for their meetings. And don't forget folks, Joel Killion is on the Wilson County Board of Elections. Great choice Republicans. Keep your guns out of public places, they are not needed or wanted.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 5:16 AM LOL said...

SOOooo Like - 'analyze this' comment! And TOTALLY AGREE with it.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 4:40 AM Citizen said...

Personally, I have no problem with the second amendment, so long as the firearms are kept at home or in a locked glove box in the vehicle. I'm all for the castle doctrine and defending oneself and one's family and property should the need arise. However, I do tend to have greater reservations when they are present in everyday life, outside of law enforcement officials who have extensive training and oversight on their use. Some of the scenarios others have provided are perfectly good examples of situations where having additional firearms in the mix could be a liability. If I had a friend or family member who was shot by a citizen during one of these situations, I would expect the shooter to receive full punishment for their actions, regardless of their good intentions. I also get tired of hearing people who say that "gun free zones are sure kill zones." That's nonsense, due to the fact that anybody with the intent to kill and a gun will do so whether other guns are present or not. What happens following that first shot is anyone's unfortunate guess. And yes, though knives, bats, and other weapons can also do damage, they don't quite possess the killing power of a firearm in terms of speed and efficiency. The funny thing is that gun manufacturers laugh to the bank when they stoke the second amendment fires, as alarmist talk bodes well for their bottom lines. In that sense, Ed's earlier comment talking about 'useful idiots' seems apt. I hope the Wilson Times follows up on this story--I would be interested in exactly how the Tea Party plans to 'flex their muscle' to enact change. I daresay they’re in the minority on this issue.

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 11:12 PM BOB said...


Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 11:03 PM Blazzin Saddles said...

I were the spurs for those weho were beeten down by those who wanted to take their guns away.
I celebrate being a American every day.
Guns now guns then an guns fro all the free men.
Guns in the Western Sizzlelen

Thursday, March 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM @@w Wild west? and Ed said...

The biggest misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment is that is was intended for the government to protect the people.
The colonial government had not yet enacted any laws when it was trying to protect the colonists from the tyranny of England.
It was only after the war and they had debated for 14 years (yes, that is how long it took for the Constitution to be drafted and signed) that the founding fathers decided if they had all been armed and aware, the tyranny of the British Government could have been lessened or avoided.
The 2nd amendment is to protect us from foreign invaders and from the government should it again become too oppressive.
While the scenario's you describe are highly plausible, what is the alternative?
No one takes out the shooter in Wal-Mart and he continues to kill until he runs out of ammunition?
The individual defending himself does put himself in danger both from the shooter and if the police or another bystander misinterprets.
That is a risk of which we are all aware.
However, to wish the world a better place and for all guns to vanish is not realistic.
If not one more gun was manufactured the problem would still exist for decades unless the government confiscated everyone, assuming they could find them all.
That would only put us in the position of being completely at the mercy of government and with our leaders being completely inept these days, that is not a chance I am willing to take.
I would sooner risk getting mistakenly shot by the police for defending myself and my family.
If you are unable to defend yourself I believe it is the moral duty or the police and the rest of us to help you.
If you are unwilling to try for whatever reason, you are on your own by your own choice.
Don't take that choice away from the rest of us, please.
It is illegal to carry a gun into a bar and consume alcohol.
An individual with a license to carry is aware of this and will abide by the law.
The same individual who is not licensed did not care before the law and does not care now.
If my carrying a weapon: licensed, trained, concealed, sober and responsible, is that much of a threat to you or society then there is no hope for society.
What you are really saying is that no one can be trusted with anything.
Guns, cars, drugs, alcohol, bats, knives....anything that can do harm.
It is a long list and most items on it are responsible for more death and anguish than guns.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 8:55 PM @Gun Lovers said...

Why don't all yall just move to Texas and take your guns with you. You would feel right at home around all the other crazies that live there. May the guy with the biggest gun win.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 8:46 PM What we need said...

Oh boy, just what we need. A bunch of wild eyed paranoid schizophrenic gun totin' Tea Party nut cases attending my son's little league games wearing their guns. Give me a break.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 8:44 PM Gun and a beer or 2 said...

I am all for banning guns
in public facilities until
a good government will have
a mental test developed and
given to every gun owner along
with mal practice insurance.
The news is full of innocent
folks being shot by mistake.
Only trained law enforcement
officers should carry guns in
most cities and towns.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 8:21 PM said...

I wonder how the Tea Party men would feel if their wives came home from the park with Junior and said that there were several African American men at the park and they all had handguns on their hips. Legal or not, this is not a comfortable feeling. Crime is not so bad that we need to resort to the old west.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 6:35 PM @ Wild West? and Ed said...

So I'm curious--do you both think that allowing guns in bars is a good idea? Personally, I see more guns in the community as more ways to get shot. And regarding your scenario, what happens when you're 'protecting' yourself at the Walmart and a bystander is shot as a result of your interaction with the said 'crazy' person? You going to claim it was in the interest of self-defense? A tragic accident? Or what happens when police intervene in such a situation and see multiple people brandishing weapons? You think that makes their job any easier? While having the right the bear arms is ensconced in our Constitution, you also have to look at the time in which it was written. We've come a long way from frontier days, though some alarmists would imply otherwise. Back then the government was fledgling and the forces to protect the citizenry were spread fewer and farther between. There were greater external threats to safety. Looking at times today, one thing we must accept is that tragedies happen; no matter how many or few guns there are out there, they will still happen. However, having more guns on the street and on people's hips isn't the answer. If anything, a greater amount of guns in the wild ensures easier access for those who aren't licensed to have one. I don't blame the City Council for limiting firearms in public buildings and recreational events, and hope they stand by their choice. Call me an idiot who isn't willing or capable of defending myself if you will, but I'm pretty sure I'm not alone here.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 6:30 PM Boo said...

I was at Cracker Barrel this past weekend with family and friends. As we were leaving we saw a man sitting at the table near the exit with a huge pistol on his hip. He was not law enforcement. I was so close to walking up to him and saying "boo". Really, you need to wear a pistol on your hip to eat dinner at Cracker Barrel? I am an old lady and I am not afraid to go out without a weapon. I just don't get it. Boooooooo.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 6:22 PM Unarmed Man said...

Hope they have plenty of metal detectors in use when this crowd shows up in council chambers. With their pro-gun attitudes, I'm sure some of them will be carrying.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 3:32 PM Trader Joe said...

The Tea Party doesn't speak for me or for the majority of people in Wilson. Personally, I don't want people with gun permits carrying loaded guns to playgrounds, youth ball games and into public buildings. I believe most sensible people in Wilson agree with me. City council was right to have done what they did.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 3:30 PM WillMcAvoy said...

And the Great Teahad continues at the hands of the America's Wahhabi movement...

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 3:26 PM @ Ed said...

Bang! No pun intended. :0
Right on the money!
These are the same people that yell at the police when they get pulled for speeding, saying the police should be out fighting real crime.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 3:23 PM Analize This said...

Tea Party members don't need to address council, they NEED counciling.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM Ed said...

In political jargon, useful idiot is a term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause. Terms like "Wild West" and "Davey Crockett" have nothing to do with the issue and are used by the idiots that can't make a logical point based on reality. The truth is that there is no evidence that people licensed to carry concealed handguns have led to any increase in crime. There is ample evidence that this has actually led to a decrease in violent crime. If you are not willing or capable of protecting yourself or others don't ask those that are to adopt your sheep mentality. Don't be an idiot!

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 2:45 PM Whatever? said...

These Tea Party folks never cease to amaze me!

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 8:32 AM Wild west? said...

That could be any weekend night at too many locations in Wilson these days.
The guns are out there, the criminals are out there, the criminals have guns and aren't afraid to put a bullet in you for no reason at all.
If you want to spend your life running and avoiding anywhere you deem not safe that is up to you.
Some of us are not afraid to stand up and fight for our rights.
You can talk all you want about what should be, but you have to live with what is.
I should not have to worry about shopping in Wal-Mart and not being able to defend myself, or at least be given the opportunity to try and defend myself when some nut case (Nut case here is defined as someone NOT LEGALLY LICENSED to carry a firearm)opens fire.
Avoiding Wal-Mart is not an option either.
BTW, there are more than 12 'saloons' in Wilson.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 7:58 AM What next? said...

Davey, Davey Crockett...king of the wild frontier. These tea party folks make the south look like a bunch of country bumpkins.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 3:32 AM Let's go all out said...

Welcome again to the wild west--how about we legalize prostitution while we're at it and open up twelve saloons downtown? Also, I'm assuming that the Western Sizzlin has gun racks for all the Tea Party members.

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